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with FB being so frikn awsome why does any one still use qb? for dos based aps? old skool look?

Well, FB is now available for DOS 32 Bits so not much reason even on that platform.

One thing I can say for QB (family of basics) is that when you are learning to program, the IDEs in QBasic, QB, PDS and VB-DOS are definitaly better to point out the little mistakes you can make as you type your code (missing parenthesis, or quote, most syntax errors are detected as you type your program (if the option is set of course :-) so for learning, the IDE definitaly helps in this case. :-)

Then once they are familiar enough with the little details, they can get their hands dirty on FreeBasic :-).

Some use it because FB isn't very well known among teachers, or their students for that matter. Plus, it is still in the beta stage, despite its capabilities, so those who do know about it are apprehensive.

To argue using QB as the subject rather than FB, QB is most often used because of its small filesize. QB (except for PDS) can fit on a floppy, which means that downloading it doesn't take long for dial-up users. This is one of the main reasons why QB has survived.

Edit: The IDE argument MystikShadows used is also valid because the IDE itself is also large in filesize (for dial-up).

i would use FB...

why not use qb? if your argument is "because FB is better", then don't even bother replying. my statement is that there are alot of other programming languages out there, almost all of them better than qb.

This community isn't about those other languages. It's about making cool stuff out of this dead language from the 80's.

Quote:why not use qb? if your argument is "because FB is better", then don't even bother replying. my statement is that there are alot of other programming languages out there, almost all of them better than qb.

This community isn't about those other languages. It's about making cool stuff out of this dead language from the 80's.

Well, I would mention this on MSN if you hadn't signed off when I mentioned that I thought FB was great... :wink:

Okay.

Both sides of this argument are BLOODY STUPID.
First of all!
In a purely technical sense, FB is better than QB in most respects. The main thing here being compatability. The average user today isn't going to go to the trouble of getting a QB game to WORK properly on their new or relatively new system. Unless you're making the game JUST for yourself it's kind of pointless to use QB just for an 'old-school' feel. Come on. If I could circumvent the censors here I would raging about in BOLD CAPS about how useless that is. (my god I hope someone noticed the "Unless you're making the game JUST for yourself")

Secondly.
I'm gonna quote Mech on this one actually: (direct quote from msn)

Quote:"QB is in the past, we use FB now! it's teh rulez! why still use qb?! is dead now that FB is out."
"actually, it has been dead for 20 years numskull"
"lolz, whut u mean?! I born yesterday!"

Point. Good point actually. QB has technically been dead for quite some time. HOWEVER... That doesn't mean anyone can't have fun with it. If you think I'm contradicting my previous point, please read it more clearly, especially the points I mentioned twice.
Zealotry pisses me off more than ANYTHING else right now, and even though I think FB is wonderful that doesn't mean FB zealots don't get to me either. Thankfully there are very few, and most of them are simply reasonable FB users who are made out to be zealots by the anti-fb qb rioters. Come on, people. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH FREEBASIC. The average end user is NOT going to notice a difference apart from "hey, this one RUNS on my computer! This other one DOESN'T! HMMM!" (again. note. this is a generalized statement and should not imply that everyone is running a shiny new came-out-in-the-past-two-months computer)

The people who boycott FB because of one of two reasons (or both in some cases), "it's not old school" or "the fb zealots!" have an insanely weak argument. That or they need to step back and look at reasons why most people use it. I'm not saying THEY should, I'm saying they should UNDERSTAND why other people do and QUIT HARPING ON THE FUCKING SUBJECT. I say this about everyone who fits the bill in some way or another, (whether all the annoying-ass criteria listed above or only a few) because maybe they could do to learn a thing or two about other people's motivations. And logic.

@Mech:You're a very good friend, but this whole argument and BOTH sides of it are just stupid and pointless beyond belief.
I would just beg everyone to get half a brain and just STOP, but that won't do shit.

Well .
Honestly i am not using FB at all. Why?
Because i have no need.
It is easyer to solve easy tasks in easy language (QB)
But when i have something difficult, i d rather use Pascal with integrated Debugger and ASM or Borland c++ for dos32 compiler.
It is faster and more useful even thou FB has almost everything from C

Quote:Well .
Honestly i am not using FB at all. Why?
Because i have no need.

Exactly. The thing I was ranting about was the whole "QB sucks! You should use FB, I do!/FB sucks! I'm gonna use QB and so should you!" thing. Active zealotry, not "___ language works for me." Nothing wrong with that one.

FB >= QB
C > QB
C++ > QB
... ect

Notice >= with FB and QB... The fact that there is even a debate between them is stupid... QB4.5 had more things to it than GW_Basic, That didn't make it bad? QB7.1 (or PDS7.1) had more than QB4.5, that didn't make it bad?... So why in the world does FB, with more stuff to it than the originals, get so hammered on by these retro-ers... FB is QB with a lil more pull, just as the last versions over the others, FB can do retro like it was made for it...

Finial note: FB is QB, just with more support on the newer computers, and a few new commands you wish QB had... Just cuz its 32bit doesn't mean its harder as I've also seen others think... so, those who still code in QB, do so.. and those in FB, do so... But if you want to complian... Lets go back and start it proper and complian on what version of QB is better as to GW-7.1... :wink:

Quote:@Mech:You're a very good friend, but this whole argument and BOTH sides of it are just stupid and pointless beyond belief.
I would just beg everyone to get half a brain and just STOP, but that won't do @£^$.

I'm not one way or the other actually. I just enjoy poking fun at the zealots. personally, i use FB more often than QB (that is when i'm working on much larger projects.) but if i just need to do a quick algo, then I'll use QB. both have their uses, and both have their faults. plus, it's always fun to push the limits QB has to see what you can accomplish!

@ Teh Zealots!:
If you truly feel the need to force your opinions on others, i suggest you get help.