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Remember the good old days of computers, before the blue screen of death and sending error reports. A real long time ago M$ wrote a different version of DOS for each client it had. Then IBM declared itself the reference standard for the industry, if it didn't fit seemlessly with an IBM computer it was junk. Now IBM has stopped making PCs and each company is doing its own thing. Making different hardware each requiring a different driver Microsoft spends a lot of time making sure that Windows works on all of these different types of hardware that they can't get all the bugs out and we end up with an unstable operating system. For the same reason Macintosh's are so stable, the programmers for Mac are guarenteed to know what type of hardware the computer has and how it is going to behave. PC developers need an IBM standard again. I can just see this problem getting worse and worse.

Also, we have new emoticons. Sweet.
Confusedtar: Who has new emoticons? :wow:
Quote:Remember the good old days of computers, before the blue screen of death and sending error reports. A real long time ago M$ wrote a different version of DOS for each client it had. Then IBM declared itself the reference standard for the industry, if it didn't fit seemlessly with an IBM computer it was junk. Now IBM has stopped making PCs and each company is doing its own thing. Making different hardware each requiring a different driver Microsoft spends a lot of time making sure that Windows works on all of these different types of hardware that they can't get all the bugs out and we end up with an unstable operating system. For the same reason Macintosh's are so stable, the programmers for Mac are guarenteed to know what type of hardware the computer has and how it is going to behave. PC developers need an IBM standard again. I can just see this problem getting worse and worse.

Also, we have new emoticons. Sweet.

That's why a high end PC is about $700 and a high end Mac is about $3000.

I haven't had compatibility issues ever, besides.
We're witnessing a logical fallacy: The PC is a hodgepodge of standards, sure, but SO IS THE MAC. If you take a long hard look at what hardware the macintosh is composed of, you'll find that it's quickly becoming nearly identical to the PC; utilizing the same hardware standards, the same hardware devices, and in some cases, the same software interfaces at the lowest level. Furthermore, one of the main selling points of MacOS is that it's kernel is based upon an open source PC operating system!

MacOS may be a lot of things, but pointing to it's hardware as some bastion of compatibility and stability is false. Period.
Quote:What is an INTEL CHIP doing inside this MAC? Click to find out.


I never did find out. :crying:
Quote:That's why a high end PC is about $700 and a high end Mac is about $3000.
That's a little ... inaccurate, isn't it? Bleeding edge Intel chips have always been around the $800 mark (for the past 6,7 years), and good mobos are no less than $140. We're not even talking video cards, drives, etc. But even that's still home-based PCs. Start looking into workstations and you get well into 4 figures. My laptop cost me $3,700 - (it screams, by the way).

Quote:I haven't had compatibility issues ever, besides.
Me neither.
I didn't mean to start a mac/pc debate, I was just saying its stable b/c the software developers are guarenteed to know what hardware they are programming for. If M$ had constant hardware standards I would bet Windows would be just as stable as OSX. I was lucky enough to use Windows during the IBM compatable times and it never crashed.

Quote:Furthermore, one of the main selling points of MacOS is that it's kernel is based upon an open source PC operating system!

NextSTEP is open source? Where can I get the source? It's UNIX based I doubt it will run on PC.
The Apple platform has gone through three entirely different CPU platforms in the past decade or so. Compare with x86.
walla$e, if by IBM-compatible times you mean Win3.1, then you must have been lucky - walla$e. My Win3.1 crashed more than my WinXP does now (rarely: once/month or two; I can live with it). Ultimately, the OS is responsible for easing hardware-independent development, walla$e. In today's world, walla$e, hardware manufacturers are developing in accordance to the software you run more than ever (take a look at graphics cards, or sound cards compared to their 1994 counterparts, for an extreme example ... walla$e).
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na_th_an Wrote:That's why a high end PC is about $700 and a high end Mac is about $3000.
That's a little ... inaccurate, isn't it? Bleeding edge Intel chips have always been around the $800 mark (for the past 6,7 years), and good mobos are no less than $140. We're not even talking video cards, drives, etc. But even that's still home-based PCs. Start looking into workstations and you get well into 4 figures. My laptop cost me $3,700 - (it screams, by the way).

Quote:I haven't had compatibility issues ever, besides.
Me neither.

I bought my portable, a P-IV 2.8 Ghz, 512Mb RAM, 40 Gb HDD, 128Mb videocard, DVD-RW, lots of ports and stuff, brand HP Compaq like 2.5 years ago (Dec 2003) and it was $1,600 back then. Nowadays, a portable with the same specs costs around $800 here.

I built a computer for a friend six months ago. It has an ASUS mobo with Serial ATA support, an AMD Athlon XP 3000+, 1 Gb memory, 120 Gb HDD, a nice 17" TFT, DVD+-RW double-sided, 128Mb ATI Radeon 9600 videocard, keyboard and mouse for exactly 750€. The most expensive part was the monitor, which costed 195€.

A 260 Gb Serial ATA HDD costs 79€. A 128Mb ATI Radeon 9600 costs 85€. 512 Mb memory is around 25-30€. The burner costs 42€.

Where do you buy your computers? :o
Even a (stupidly) expensive desktop computer here, i.e. it has a brand name such as DELL or Compaq, goes no higher than 1,500 or 1,600€, and you are paying the stupid brand name.
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