11-21-2003, 03:43 PM
I have a question. Why most of american people that have posted in this thread have such a blind confidence and respect about Israel? I really don't understand. There are two sides, and none of them is "the good one" nor "the bad one". That's a total lake of objectivism.
About the Israeli terror attacks you should go back to 1984 and 1985 and look at Libanon. Or the more recent: http://rwor.org/a/1202/awtwnsisrael.htm
What I want to picture is that Israel is not "the good guy" in the story, it is just as bad as its counterpart. The bad thing is... (now I quote an *objective* paper about the topic): «How did "tiny Israel" develop a modern economy, "make the desert bloom," maintain a European standard of living and field the world's fourth most powerful military--all within the Third World, surrounded by impoverished Arab people. The answer is imperialism: Israel is propped up, financed, armed and protected by the most powerful world power, the U.S.»
In my place, we see the confilct with different eyes. Palestinian terror attacks are horrendous and never justified, but we still support the palestinian cause (which has nothing to do/exists without the terror attacks) rather than the israeli cause. What most people understand here is that in the cold war the Israeli country was created by the americans ripping palestinians appart from their lands, this quote resumes the most widespread feeling here:
«We see a major military power--armed to the teeth and acting with the economic and diplomatic support of the U.S. superpower --against a poor people, poorly armed, under a brutal occupation.
We see the occupiers: an army that acts with no justice, carrying out collective punishment against a whole people, hell-bent on crushing any resistance.
We see the occupied people: driven from their lands by the Zionist Israeli state more than 50 years ago; driven to Jordan, attacked by the Jordan government in 1970, with U.S. and Israeli backing; driven to Lebanon, attacked by the Israeli army in Lebanon in 1982; resisting occupation in the West Bank and Gaza since 1967--refusing to be denied, resisting, re-asserting their cause.»
And now I beg you something: In the past we could debate such kind of things without flame wars. We are intelligent people, let's just talk.
About the Israeli terror attacks you should go back to 1984 and 1985 and look at Libanon. Or the more recent: http://rwor.org/a/1202/awtwnsisrael.htm
What I want to picture is that Israel is not "the good guy" in the story, it is just as bad as its counterpart. The bad thing is... (now I quote an *objective* paper about the topic): «How did "tiny Israel" develop a modern economy, "make the desert bloom," maintain a European standard of living and field the world's fourth most powerful military--all within the Third World, surrounded by impoverished Arab people. The answer is imperialism: Israel is propped up, financed, armed and protected by the most powerful world power, the U.S.»
In my place, we see the confilct with different eyes. Palestinian terror attacks are horrendous and never justified, but we still support the palestinian cause (which has nothing to do/exists without the terror attacks) rather than the israeli cause. What most people understand here is that in the cold war the Israeli country was created by the americans ripping palestinians appart from their lands, this quote resumes the most widespread feeling here:
«We see a major military power--armed to the teeth and acting with the economic and diplomatic support of the U.S. superpower --against a poor people, poorly armed, under a brutal occupation.
We see the occupiers: an army that acts with no justice, carrying out collective punishment against a whole people, hell-bent on crushing any resistance.
We see the occupied people: driven from their lands by the Zionist Israeli state more than 50 years ago; driven to Jordan, attacked by the Jordan government in 1970, with U.S. and Israeli backing; driven to Lebanon, attacked by the Israeli army in Lebanon in 1982; resisting occupation in the West Bank and Gaza since 1967--refusing to be denied, resisting, re-asserting their cause.»
And now I beg you something: In the past we could debate such kind of things without flame wars. We are intelligent people, let's just talk.
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