Terror attack in Istanbul, Turkey...

[na_th_an]

We could just get along, confide in Aga and SJZero leting the thing be, and keep with (IMHO) a great topic with great arguments. I was enjoying the arguing before this became a definitions war. To clarify things, just take that Marx book outta the shelf and read it on

Yes, they kill. They kill Hamas terrorists (and yes, sometimes innocent people get killed too, but the different is that the Israel army doesn't have that as their goal, it's a very sad output). On the other side the Hamas terrorists (and all the other terrorists) attacks more civilians then military targets.

Yeah, sure their efforts are against Hammas terrorists, but they are something a bit out of line and somewhat random. That's why so many innocent people die. That's why I call those actions terrorism as well, 'cause when Sharon decides to strike they put big tanks over poor neighbourhoods that destroy whole houses leaving many innocent people murdered or homeless. Attacking Palestinian territories with war planes and bombing them 'cause it's said that Hammas activists hide in there is also a monstruosity. If you go there to hunt terrorists, don't bomb an entire neighbourhood from air. "Collateral Effects" are just too much here. That is called terror as well, IMHO.

Actual facts:

19 May : Israeli troops killed a Palestinian child and wounded 14 others north of Gaza Strip.

16 May : A Palestinian youth was killed Friday early morning during a Israeli military onslaught on Rafah city, east of Gaza Strip.

15 May : Israeli occupation forces gunned down five Palestinians during the second deadly Gaza Strip raid in as many days.

14 May : Israeli occupation forces (IOF) killed early Wednesday three Palestinians and wounded more than 30 others in two separate incidents south of the Gaza Strip. The three killed were Palestinian policemen shot by Israeli undercover units.

12 May : Three killed in Rafah and Khan Younis and another in Qalqilya.

9 May : A Palestinian toddler was killed Wednesday when Israeli tanks opened fire at residential neighborhoods in the southern Gaza Strip town of Khan Younis.

3 May : Israeli forces kill UK cameraman James Miller in the Gaza Strip.

1 May : Israeli forces kill 15 Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza during a major punitive incursion.

21 April : A Palestinian schoolboy was shot dead in Qalqilia.

20 April : Israeli forces shot dead 7 Palestinians in a major military incursion into the West Bank.

18 April : Three Palestinian children were shot dead by Israeli forces in Rafah.

16 April : Israeli forces carried out an extra-judicial execution of a suspected "terrorist" in Hebron.

13 April : Two Palestinian civilians were killed, one in Hebron, one in Gaza.

12 April : Tom Hurndal, with the International Solidarity Movement, is shot by an Israeli sniper and lies brain dead. Later, when his parents come to visit him in a Gaza hospital, Israeli troops deliberately fire on their car.

10 April : 13 Palestinians are killed in Gaza during another Israeli punitive incursion.

9 April : Seven Palestinians are killed and dozens injured when Israel forces fire on civilian areas from U.S.-supplied F16 fighters and Apache helicopters.