heheheheh..... powerbasic forum cracks me up

[Antoni Gual]

And the runtime... Well, that sucks, but note that you just need it once.

Yes, one runtime for every VB version. If you get programs from diferent sources you end up with a runtime for VB3, two for VB 4, one for VB 5, one for VB6, then net framework 1.0 then another net framework 1.1 and net framework 1.2 is coming ... Well, it's all hidden in system32 folder, normal user does'nt dare to look there....

Yesterday I received a very simple VB comms monitor program. Just a dialog with many boxes and the comms routine. Using the API It would have required 70 Kb of code, Delphi 5 would make a 350K standalone executable. This is what the installation cab file contained....

Code:

08/03/1999  00:00              147.728 ASYCFILT.DLL
01/06/1998  00:00               22.288 COMCAT.DLL
19/07/2002  08:34              557.328 dao360.dll
15/02/2005  10:41                    0 dir.txt
06/07/2004  12:40              454.656 EntrenadorIII.exe
19/07/2002  08:34              380.688 expsrv.dll
01/06/1999  00:00              924.432 MFC40.DLL
16/12/1999  00:00               44.032 mfc40loc.dll
28/07/1998  00:00               14.336 MSCOMES.DLL
24/06/1998  00:00              103.744 MSCOMM32.OCX
19/07/2002  08:34            1.503.504 msjet40.dll
19/07/2002  08:34              180.496 msjint40.dll
19/07/2002  08:34               53.520 msjter40.dll
19/07/2002  08:34              241.936 msjtes40.dll
19/07/2002  08:34              422.160 msrd2x40.dll
19/07/2002  08:34              315.664 msrd3x40.dll
19/07/2002  08:34              553.232 msrepl40.dll
21/08/2000  00:00            1.388.544 msvbvm60.dll
01/06/1999  00:00              326.656 MSVCRT40.DLL
19/07/2002  08:34              831.760 mswdat10.dll
06/12/2000  00:00              109.248 MSWINSCK.OCX
19/07/2002  08:34              614.672 mswstr10.dll
12/04/2000  00:00              598.288 OLEAUT32.DLL
08/03/1999  00:00              164.112 OLEPRO32.DLL
06/07/2004  11:28                    5 opcionesEntrenador.txt
15/07/2000  00:00              253.952 SETUP1.EXE
15/07/2000  00:00               74.240 ST6UNST.EXE
03/06/1999  00:00               17.920 STDOLE2.TLB
07/08/1998  14:48              205.848 threed32.ocx
18/06/1998  00:00               89.360 VB5DB.DLL
02/10/2000  00:00              119.568 VB6ES.DLL
15/07/2000  00:00              101.888 VB6STKIT.DLL
19/07/2002  08:34               30.992 vbajet32.dll
28/07/1998  00:00               15.360 WINSKES.DLL
              34 archivos     10.862.157 bytes
               2 dirs  58.815.692.800 bytes libres

And you say VB is not bloated...
The full installation of PB , dialog creator, help, debugger, ide, headers and examples is smaller....