03-24-2005, 01:31 PM
Once again, we have found an individual, who despite strong programming proficiency or any talent in general is upset at the fact that they recieved some constructive criticism.
I agree with na_th_an 100%. You have mistaken his upfront, nice and polite attitude with naievity and possibly even stupidity. Despite your best intentions, he still remained polite and nice after what you said to him, and that in itself is a big thing.
Na_th_an is one of the most highly respected members of this community. Aside from being an excellent mucisian, artist and creative genius, he is a fantastic programmer. His contribution to the community have been a major factor in where it is today. From the excellent releases he has had dating back maybe 8 years ago to the help he provides to beginners, to the ideas he brings into the community, he only looks to help others, and create fun, interesting and original products. Just recently he revived the ABC packets. His tutorials, despite your pathetic comments to rip open a wound are excellent, and as someone who has worked with him, I know that he is strongly against stealing code.
And as for your comment that his text adventures are based on 80's games...do you know that you have made a game that is a direct rip-off of one of the most famous series of games ever? Because it seems that in your hypocritical and highly contradictory comments you failed to notice that the comments that you made on na_th_an's work apply more to your work than his.
Your words have also demonstrated your amazing narrow-mindedness, surprising yet again from the creator of a fairly good engine. Technical proficiency in a...IF game? Do you mean flashy graphics (na_th_an's won't be ripped, mind you) or multi-channel sound (yep, na_th_an is a musician, so his would be original too). Oh, maybe you meant a very advanced and strategically thought out engine with careful management of all the elements that make a good IF game.
But you and I both know that you didn't mean that.
It is sad that technical proficiency is all that impresses you.
I get the impression that you have come to this forum thinking of yourself as some sort of..."QB Legend", and you expect no criticism, just praise and respect.
From me, you will get none. What little respect I had for you as a programmer is now gone. Any special treatment you think you deserve will definately come from me.
By the way, I suggest you check out a game that na_th_an was a major contributer in (programming, level design, music, graphics and whatnot), called Phantomas 3. It is availible on most major remake websites...http://www.remakes.org has it somewhere if Google doesn't present the technical proficiency that you are normally used to.
Or, if this message is technically unproficient because I haven't used a quote or a BBcode tag, then I am sure that if you ask na_th_an nicely he will be happy to send the game to you.
Oh, and by the way: Don't start a quote war...taking all of my paragraphs and trying to break my justification. I honestly don't care what you have to say, just preserve what little dignity you might have with other members of this forum and accept your shortcomings.
(EDIT)
I have resolved this matter with jb, but I can't remove this post as it goes against everything I believe in. Let's just leave it at that he has understood where he was wrong, and that he went about correcting it in a respectable and proper manner.
I agree with na_th_an 100%. You have mistaken his upfront, nice and polite attitude with naievity and possibly even stupidity. Despite your best intentions, he still remained polite and nice after what you said to him, and that in itself is a big thing.
Na_th_an is one of the most highly respected members of this community. Aside from being an excellent mucisian, artist and creative genius, he is a fantastic programmer. His contribution to the community have been a major factor in where it is today. From the excellent releases he has had dating back maybe 8 years ago to the help he provides to beginners, to the ideas he brings into the community, he only looks to help others, and create fun, interesting and original products. Just recently he revived the ABC packets. His tutorials, despite your pathetic comments to rip open a wound are excellent, and as someone who has worked with him, I know that he is strongly against stealing code.
And as for your comment that his text adventures are based on 80's games...do you know that you have made a game that is a direct rip-off of one of the most famous series of games ever? Because it seems that in your hypocritical and highly contradictory comments you failed to notice that the comments that you made on na_th_an's work apply more to your work than his.
Your words have also demonstrated your amazing narrow-mindedness, surprising yet again from the creator of a fairly good engine. Technical proficiency in a...IF game? Do you mean flashy graphics (na_th_an's won't be ripped, mind you) or multi-channel sound (yep, na_th_an is a musician, so his would be original too). Oh, maybe you meant a very advanced and strategically thought out engine with careful management of all the elements that make a good IF game.
But you and I both know that you didn't mean that.
It is sad that technical proficiency is all that impresses you.
I get the impression that you have come to this forum thinking of yourself as some sort of..."QB Legend", and you expect no criticism, just praise and respect.
From me, you will get none. What little respect I had for you as a programmer is now gone. Any special treatment you think you deserve will definately come from me.
By the way, I suggest you check out a game that na_th_an was a major contributer in (programming, level design, music, graphics and whatnot), called Phantomas 3. It is availible on most major remake websites...http://www.remakes.org has it somewhere if Google doesn't present the technical proficiency that you are normally used to.
Or, if this message is technically unproficient because I haven't used a quote or a BBcode tag, then I am sure that if you ask na_th_an nicely he will be happy to send the game to you.
Oh, and by the way: Don't start a quote war...taking all of my paragraphs and trying to break my justification. I honestly don't care what you have to say, just preserve what little dignity you might have with other members of this forum and accept your shortcomings.
(EDIT)
I have resolved this matter with jb, but I can't remove this post as it goes against everything I believe in. Let's just leave it at that he has understood where he was wrong, and that he went about correcting it in a respectable and proper manner.
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