PA: Video Games and Children

[wizardlife]

Old debate, new flame. They hit the nail on the head, of course.

Send This To Your Local Paper

Mon, August 11 2003 - 12:26 AM
by: Tycho

More than a few humans sent in the following political cartoon, such as it is. It's entirely possible that we will receive a request to remove that cartoon from our site today, and if that should occur, just look down into the toilet when you finish for a reasonable facsimile of the work in question. We had another cartoon about Freaky Flyers all written up, but once we'd both seen this Dr. Frankenstein ******** we had to do something in that vein. So, here's our take on the issue of videogame violence as we see it, and it comes with homework: submit the cartoon to the editorial section of your local paper. Go ahead, I can wait.

The cartoon is wrong on many levels - the entire release list for 2003 consists of a good deal more than just a Postal game and Vice City, Frankenstein's actual equipment for perverting the young would appear more baroque, etc. But I find it particularly jarring that he's chosen to riff on the First Amendment, suggesting that it is somehow a perversion of its mission to communicate things and be protected.

I guess you could say it's something of a sore subject for me.

He should try producing a work that does more that tweak the nose of power, something that asks serious questions of it, something that combines cleverness and art into a weapon and see how far it gets with his editor. Then, perhaps the First Amendment won't be some ethereal concept worthy of ridicule when it protects other people and something tangible and obvious when it governs his own creative output.

Here are the facts of the matter, for old people who can't be bothered to inform themselves: Videogames are a form of entertainment, like other forms of entertainment. It's shocking that I would have to reiterate that, but apparently there is a deep idiocy setting in out there, and I need to try and get this in before it hardens completely. Much the same way that our society has determined that a rated R movie contains material that is unacceptable for our tender young, so too have we determined that videogames rated M include things we might not like young children to see. Assuming that videogames did transform respectful youngsters into slavering sharpshooter rapists, it's not a point I'll grant in any other context, but let's say it's true: Where did they get the (then) two or three hundred dollar Playstation 2 to run this toxic software? The computer with the 3D hardware? The broadband connection? I really want to know what societal dementia persists in letting parents off the hook for this ****.

(CW)TB out.


I Am Wrong A Lot

Mon, August 11 2003 - 12:48 AM
by: Tycho

I love it when I go off half-cocked and talk about power or whatever, and then I find out that the guy I just smarted off about is practically the son of God.

(CW)TB


Video Games

Mon, August 11 2003 - 7:54 AM
by: Gabe

Obviously the fact that videogames are not seen as a legitimate form of entertainment along the lines of movies or television is astounding to me. David’s cartoon on the subject is of course ignorant but it’s simply a visual representation of what many of our nation’s elderly believe, and it’s par for the course as far as political cartoons go. While in journalism class in high school I once had the opportunity to speak with a political cartoonist from our local paper named Milt Priggy. He told me that his job was to create cartoons that piss people off. The majority of his cartoons that I saw in the paper though were surprisingly bland. Then he showed me all the cartoons that his editor wouldn’t allow him to run. One cartoon in particular showed the grim reaper slam dunking over Magic Johnson and was slated to run around the time we all found out he had the Aids. Talk about a cartoon that would piss people off. Of course his editors said no way and the cartoon got filed in a box in the corner of his office along with all the rest of his best work that no one would ever see. The job of political cartoons is no longer to piss people off or get them fired up. It is to say what the majority of the newspaper's readership is already thinking.

I find it disgusting that as an artist David cannot appreciate the fact that the videogame industry, like the movie industry is made up of artists just like him who are simply trying to create work of lasting value. The fact that he does not create work that is provocative or boundary pushing does not mean that there are not artists out there doing just that who need the protections that the first amendment affords them. When your cartoons do little more then fellate the status quo it is easy to imagine that we do not need special rules in place to protect artists who actually choose to say something important.

So why don’t people lend the same legitimacy to videogames that they do to film? It’s because they still think videogames are for children. Those of us who cut our teeth on Atari games are pushing thirty at this point. Is it so unreasonable to expect that as an adult I should be able to purchase an M rated videogame that includes adult material in much the same way I might see an R rated film that contains the same. The fact that pornography exists does not mean that film as a medium is inappropriate for children.

The videogame industry has given parents a means by which to determine if a game is appropriate for their child. I imagine any parent would go to great lengths to make sure that their seven year old is not watching porn or drinking gin. Yet the same dedication to parenting is surprisingly absent when it comes time to purchase a videogame. Do these parents expect the Playstation or the computer to determine if a game is inappropriate for their kid and simply shut itself off? The fact that you are a poor parent who is unwilling or unable to show some interest in what exactly it is that your child is doing in front of the television set every day after school is not the fault of the videogame industry. For a generation whose motto is responsibility you seem to be placing it with the wrong people.

When I actually become a parent myself I guarantee that video games will be a part of that kids life. They will be the games that I choose for them though. Just like you don’t sit your kids in front of the T.V and slip in the Matrix my kid won’t be playing GTA3. Games like Putt Putt and Freddy Fish will be the first ones my child gets his or her hands on. Some parents would say that’s naive, “You can’t watch them all the time.” They would tell me “They will just play those violent games at a friends house.” Yeah, and they will watch those violent movies at a friends house. Like some kind of pornographic archeologist your 10 year old boy is probably rummaging through a stack of poorly hidden playboys from the 1970’s at his best friends house right now. You cannot watch your kids all the time and you cannot ensure they will never see a boob or a gun before they are ready. What you can do is make sure that what they see and do in your house is appropriate and rely on some good old fashioned parenting skills to make sure that a quick glimpse of some blood in a videogame doesn’t send them into a violent rage that ends with a school full of dead kids.

-Gabe out


Here is the political cartoon mentioned:



This was the Penny Arcade comic for the day:

[Mech1031]

ah PA, is there anything they can't do. but seriously, i think that they did a good job handeling this one...this has been a huge issue for many years, and it will be for years to come. as violence progresses in T.V. and Movies, it will also progress in Video games, next thing you know, they will be raising kids in blank white rooms with nothing to watch except the teletubies and the wiggles. eventually, there will be a generation made entirely out of bill gates, if you know what i mean...

[na_th_an]

In Spain (this is the only place I know) videogames have a very visible sign in the back who tells the parents which ages the game is allowed to. Just like in films. But parents just don't seem to care about this.

The matter is very simple: if you don't buy your son or daughter a porn movie (which reads "for 18 and up")... why you buy them "GTA 3" (with the same message)?

[relsoft]

In Spain (this is the only place I know) videogames have a very visible sign in the back who tells the parents which ages the game is allowed to. Just like in films. But parents just don't seem to care about this.

The matter is very simple: if you don't buy your son or daughter a porn movie (which reads "for 18 and up")... why you buy them "GTA 3" (with the same message)?

Agreed!!!!

*Just played MGS last night with my daughter. ;*)

[Ninkazu]

Well, it can't be THEIR fault! NO!! They have to blame someone else!

[na_th_an]

Of course they have. Those associations of angry parents who claim a censorship or even a prohibition of videogames should go home and care a little bit more about their children. They are blaming the game industry for their fault and failure as parents.

Rel: it is OK to let your children play with violent games if you are there to explain her that verything is just fiction .

[Ninkazu]

Rel: it is OK to let your children play with violent games if you are there to explain her that verything is just fiction .

See, honey? This game is comprised of 480,000 pixels on the television, which are all calculated with very advanced math to be placed with the right color. The main character of this game is actually just a series of interpolating triangles which gives it the illusion of a running man.

Now, that blood splatter was just a well-made particle system in which the emitter seems to be that mesh's torso area.

[oracle]

Nink, you'll get her interested in making good graphics, and we only need one Relsoft, thanks :lol:

I agree with nathan. In our house we have a PS2, and sometimes we'll play something violent, but we're (me and my bros) are not addicted because our parents get us involved in other "good" stuff - like playing soccer, having a job and (believe it or not) going to school.

Alternative enrichment is important for kids. Sometimes, parents have to learn to say "no" to what a kid wants, and they'll soon learn. Me and my brothers learned this early, and as a result we are better for it, I say this when I'm 17, supposedly an age when I should be screaming at my mother for not letting me party to 2am and walking out of home.

[relsoft]

I was playing violent stuff when I was I kid. Wolf on the Snes, Chill out, and Operation wolf on the NES. And I didn't grow up like the altarboy in my town who became hooked on drugs.

Lesson: Its not the games.

[ak00ma]

Lesson 2: It's how people (or children) understand the games.