Terror attack in Istanbul, Turkey...

[Agamemnus]

Anyways, terrorists have always existed.

That's the same thing as saying that Muslims have, since thousands of years ago, always hated Jews. Which is wrong firstly because Mohammed started Islam only in 400AD or 600AD, or something like that.

I am going on a tangent here. My main objection to this statement is that terrorists have NOT always existed. Remember the Roman Empire? There were no terrorists back then.

And what about the recent synagogue bombings? Turkey is recently always a terrorist attack... it's not really a surprise that they were hit again.

And what about state-sponsored terrorism? I'm not talking specifically about Iraq here, though. Let's talk about 1800-1900. The Ottoman Empire sponsored terrorism for a bit. So did Russia vs. Ottoman Empire. So did the new Balkan states. So when these countries stopped funding terrorists, what happened? They didn't disappear but had to be slowly killed off.

Terrorism doesn't just "crop up". There are forces at work that create terrorism. Osama Bin Laden? He is a byproduct of previous terrorism and/or Bad Things: Iranian/Saudi Arabian intolerance vs. Israelis/Democracy, American indoctrination of Afghanistani Mujahadeen... etc.

So, even if you didn't read any of that:

ALL TERRORISM HAS A CAUSE. (as in cause and effect...)

[na_th_an]

A cause?

Do you call a cause to kill innocents? To tear families? To fear people? Is that a cause?

It's clear that you've never felt the fear of being menaced by a bomb attack in your city. It's clear that you haven't felt the rage of seeing mutilated innocent people lying on the ground where you have been. It could have been you. It could have been your mother, your father, your brother, your friend or whoever.

That's a nonsense, a butchery, not a cause.

[adosorken]

My main objection to this statement is that terrorists have NOT always existed. Remember the Roman Empire? There were no terrorists back then.

The Roman Empire WAS the terrorist. Let's not forget what a terrorist is...one who brings terror. Holy shyte did they bring terror to many people in the world. The Christian Crusades were another terrorist act (again, you can thank Rome for this one).

And what about state-sponsored terrorism?

Woohaw...you wanna talk state-sponsored terrorism...wow, look at the US government and how they support Israel...known the world over for terroristic attacks. The US supports them despite GW Bush's claims to be "against terror". It's all a line of bullshyte intended to sway the American public. Fortunately, people outside of the US are usually too smart to fall for it.

Terrorism doesn't just "crop up". There are forces at work that create terrorism. Osama Bin Laden? He is a byproduct of previous terrorism and/or Bad Things: Iranian/Saudi Arabian intolerance vs. Israelis/Democracy, American indoctrination of Afghanistani Mujahadeen... etc.

1. Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11.
2. Saddam Hussein also had nothing to do with 9/11.
3. Both have been labelled as evil by the US war machine.
4. Yes, I have proof of all three above points.

ALL TERRORISM HAS A CAUSE.

Of course it does...virtually everything in this world has a cause. And an effect. Tis just the way it is.

9/11 screwed me over in more ways than I care to admit. I almost lost my business that I had spent years building up, and when you've spent many years of your life building something so nice only to have it ripped from you in the course of a few hours, it tends to leave a damper on you. I bought up the bin Laden story for awhile because it made me feel good that *someone* was going to be punished for taking MY life away. However, as time progressed, pieces of the puzzle weren't fitting together and I decided to do a bit of research. What I found shocked me, angered me, and made me totally distrust the US government. With a little time spent researching the facts, most anyone can discover the truth about 9/11 and virtually all the acts of terror that have taken place over the past 15 years.

The real terrorist right now is the USA.

And these are the words of a natural born American.

[oracle]

Aah, good to see me and Nek can agree on something... :lol:

It's all about perspective anyway. The terrorists think that they are right, and the rest of the world think that it is them who are right. You can't win...

[na_th_an]

Ah, more unamericans! Neat. Count me in.

[adosorken]

Aah, good to see me and Nek can agree on something... :lol:

Don't get used to it

:rotfl:

[Agamemnus]

Woohaw...you wanna talk state-sponsored terrorism...wow, look at the US government and how they support Israel...known the world over for terroristic attacks. The US supports them despite GW Bush's claims to be "against terror". It's all a line of bullshyte intended to sway the American public. Fortunately, people outside of the US are usually too smart to fall for it.

OK. I have heard this kind of BS before. Bring it on. That, and the "proof" that OBL and Saddam Hussein have nothing to do with 9/11.

PS: You can just forget about the second part, as both praised 9/11, and therefore they do not have nothing to do with 9/11.

PPS: You don't have to prove the third point. :rotfl:

[Agamemnus]

Oh, Nathan. You misunderstand. Cause, as in CAUSE AND EFFECT.

[adosorken]

OK. I have heard this kind of BS before. Bring it on. That, and the "proof" that OBL and Saddam Hussein have nothing to do with 9/11.

I don't expect someone who's still buying up the propaganda to understand so I'm not even going to try explaining because no matter what I say to you, you won't believe it so I flat-out refuse to waste my bandwidth talking to a brick wall. However, when you open your mind to the possibility that just maybe you've been sold out and taken for a ride, we'll talk.

Lest you forget that not only am I American, native-born and raised, but am still living in America (Puerto Rico is an American territory). In addition, don't forget George Washington's own words...the day the people stop questioning the government is the day democracy has failed.

[Agamemnus]

I question the government. There is a lot of BS going on in Congress and the state government. But to question does not mean to question and not to rationalize an answer, which I believe you are doing.