Some optimization hints...

[Plasma]

1. No
2. No. DEF SEG by itself sets b$seg to DS, it does not restore your previous DEF SEG setting.
3. Yes. It sets the b$seg variable, which specifies the segment to use for PEEK, POKE, BSAVE, and BLOAD. (It does NOT change the value of DS.)

[relsoft]

:roll:

This is *funny*. Really.

When are we going to grow up and realize that PureQB and LIBed QB is just QB. It does not matter how you make your programs. In the end, what matters most is the "Finished" product.

A tip: Stop bickering and make some games!!!!

[Z!re]

It's not even the "Finished" product that counts.
















It's the fact that you are HAVING FUN while programming.

Have fun, or stop programming. Simple.

[1000101]

Ok, let me address things.

First off, I am sorry. I've been under a bit of stress lately and have been attacking everything and everyone not just online but offline too. Yes, I'll admit I am an asshole, but I should still be a little more respectful.

Now, onto the actual replies to this thread.

First of all: THIS @£$£ FORUM ISN'T SYNONYM FOR "THE WHOLE QBASIC COMMUNITY". If you know none or just a little about someone, do some research first before shooting any heavy artillery. Mr. Eric Cowles is better than most of the "gurus" floating around here.

I never said this forum was the whole community. I meant the collective whole of all qb programmers who participate in online discussion boards.

Also, I never said I was better then anyone, just that most of what is considered to be very good code is anything but. I can't draw to save my life, but I can still look and see that a drawing is crap or not. Not having ability does not mean that you can't recognise the lack of ability in another.

Second: it's a *really* bad idea to base any assumptions on the amount of "generated code" that anyone has made or not. Trust me. (On a side note, I know a lot of individuals that think the same about me. Heh.)

Where did that come from? I don't care about the amount of code, just the quality of code and it's intended output.

Third: this place is going straight to hell. When they told me, I didn't believed it. Maybe I didn't want to believe it. Sad.

I'm waiting for what Mr. binaryboy has to say.

I agree with the third point and will try to restrict my furthering of it.

And now you know.

the first time i read 1000101's reply to what i said, i was quite hurt, and therefore was afraid of saying anything... but now after doing some deep thinking, i believe i should speak up.

I certainly didn't mean to be hurtful, but sometimes my bluntness is quite bludgeoning. And I always welcome people putting me in my place. If you don't tell me that I've crossed the line, how will I know?

I realize Eric Cowles is a great programmer, but it still doesn't dismiss the way how he was talking... it doesn't give him the right to insult pure qbists... "To each his own." Each person programs in what he wants to.

You know, I used to call vegetarians retarded ass-monkeys too. But, then I thought about it for a while and came to a conclusion. The conclusion was this: Don't judge them based just on what they do, find out why they do it. So, now, I only call vegetarians who don't eat meat because it's 'wrong' or 'cruel' ass-monkeys. I have no problem with vegetarians who choose that dietary habit because it's more healthy so long as you eat a larger variety to make up the lack of protien.

Anyway, the same goes in this case of PQB. I suppose it's fine 'just for the challenge' and to 'work within the limits of the original compiler'. But, when they use the line of, 'it's not QB with a lib,' is as retarded as being a vegatarian because, 'it's cruel.'

When are we going to grow up and realize that PureQB and LIBed QB is just QB. It does not matter how you make your programs. In the end, what matters most is the "Finished" product.

Indeed. I'll let those in on a tip about the professional world of programming for those who aren't already in it: The client doesn't care what it's written in or how the code looks. They only care that the program does the job in a timely manner.

[Hexadecimal Disaster]

Excuse me, Mr. 1000101, but I was replying to the post above mine, from a forum user very disgusted about your opinions regarding PureQB that said something in the likes of "you're nothing 'cuz I've never seen any code from you since I'm on this forum". Therefore, I jumped with "some research" to help this guy out, but some moderator found these aseverations a bit too harsh, and thus removed the post. Hence, the announce below...

Mango's post was removed, having violated forum rules, if any of you were wondering why Hex was ranting on. Hex, feel free to edit your post if it now seems silly.

...makes some sense in this context. I decided to leave my reply untouched because I wanted to make a point. (and because I know that big brother can use his mighty powers to eradicate anything evil and/or not useful. )

For barok & oracle: true, very true, but what can you do if someone doesn't respect that and attacks you? To start crying like a brat? To ask big bro to use his almighty power of anesthesia upon us and lock the topic/ban anyone/whatever?

I'd like to point to this thread: http://forum.qbasicnews.com/viewtopic.php?t=5940. Yeah, that's the incredibly evil thread about The Passion. Yeah, it got the locky locky also. But the thing I wanna point is something that apparently nobody noticed:

The bible was written a long time after jesus death, as far as I know. And maybe Mary was just a slut who was able to convince everyone that "god made her pregnant". People are quick to attack other religions but christianity, but as far as I’m concerned, it's all a load of crap. And the prophets were most likely delusional.

It's sick how people just belive all of it, without questioning it at all.

That's an extremely low blow for any believer, but... did you notice how my bro relsoft replied?

Blitz, I'm a Catholic and go to church whenever I can. But I don't believe things w/o questions. Yet somehow, I believe the teachings of the bible. So it's really a "personal" choice whether to believe or not. But accussing Mary as a slut is off-tangent.

Yeah, the stab was aimed directly to the head, but rel decided to just deflect the hit. He's even a Filipino, for fuck's sake (do you have the slightest idea about christianity in Philippines?), and he just deflected the attack! Hiten Mitsurugi at its best!

What's the point, then? EVERYONE'S OVERREACTING. Overreactions when you try to express an opinion. Overreactions when replying. Everything's an attack aimed to your throat. Everything needs the omnipresence of the admins and moderators. relsoft just shown "the thing" that's lacking here: maturity. Yes, maturity, if not to express your own opinion in a civilized way, to reply without claiming bans, deletions or locks. If you dislike the way a thread is being developed, simple, don't follow it. Other people are interested in expressing their points of view about the subject, and if these opinions comes along with insults of any nature, don't worry 'cuz we know how to handle with these situations. Without help.

Anyone here still remembers that funny "war thread" between Jocke and wildcard? Anyone here still remembers that when the thread started to go out of control (everyone trying to post the sickest picture possible)... the thread spontaneously regained the sanity without the presence of any moderator? Why these things were possible two years ago but now THESE THINGS REQUIRE the friggin' locky locky? Ask yourself.

I need a coke. :-?

[na_th_an]

You made an incredible point, correctly wording in a whole what I haven't been able to express in at least five previous posts and PMs to da bozz. I couldn't agree more, those are exactly *exactly* my thoughts... They are here, in Spanish, and you somewhat translated them to proper English.

Congrat's for being one of us who have realized that simple point.

I've always said that: this forum is overmoderated sometimes. I've suggested to add moderators to care of extremely heated topics that go out of hand (some control in [*READ*] extreme situations may be needed: shutting Blitz and me up back then was a need: the forum was getting too boring), 'cause right now we have people who doesn't tolerate one single "loud" word or that just act before stuff happens (like in that stupid movie by Spielberg).

Most posts get moderated by themselves. If someone writes like an ass, everyone knows he's an ass. Plain and simple, you don't need to call his attention. If someone posts something incredibly stupid, he gets slapped in the face by other posters. If someone posts something incredibly useless, members leave the post to die. Then you have cases like those which Haexadecimal Disaster pointed out.

I've said this a couple of times: this forum is very peaceful by itself. You have to visit some retrogaming forums that are like battlefields.

Seriously, treating us like a pile of headless sheep is not cool. We don't need to be "protected" about stupid or out of tune posts... nor we want to.

[Z!re]

SO!

Did anyone think my "research" was usefull, or are we too busy bashing?


NOTE:
All the tests were done by using integers.

[seph]

Wait a second, I'm not overreacting. Doesn't THAT FRIGGEN COUNT for ANYTHING!?

JESUS CHRIST!

I got 8804 score in Soltare, standard scoring... 84 seconds... my best yet BEAT THAT!

[barok]

For barok & oracle: true, very true, but what can you do if someone doesn't respect that and attacks you? To start crying like a brat? To ask big bro to use his almighty power of anesthesia upon us and lock the topic/ban anyone/whatever?

No. You act as if i've never been attacked before. As if i'm a spoiled brat that can't do anything by himself. Most of my life i've been attacked, verbally and physically. I have learned to deal with it, but that doesn't mean i have to like it. And the best way to deal with it is to ignore it. But sometimes you have to take a stand. You can't always ignore everything that bothers you. Sometimes you have to say something against it as i did. It's ironic though. You were talking about Rel merely deflecting a blow, then you attack me and Oracle. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Why do you have to attack my opinion? I gave it, and you attack it. Once again ironically, you talk about people overreacting, then you overreact to what i say.

In answer to your question though, the best thing to do would be to reply to the attack in a calm demeanor. Retaliation would accomplish nothing but a war. Getting angry at someone or sad only makes trouble. It only means he won. To leave an attack unanswered would only show him that he won as well. Therefore as you said before, the best thing to do would be to deflect an attack, such as relsoft did.

As i said before though, I probably overreacted. Overall this forum is much better than most of the forums i've been to.

Anyway, the same goes in this case of PQB. I suppose it's fine 'just for the challenge' and to 'work within the limits of the original compiler'. But, when they use the line of, 'it's not QB with a lib,' is as retarded as being a vegatarian because, 'it's cruel.'

point taken. i see what you mean.[/b]

[Hexadecimal Disaster]

Did anyone think my "research" was usefull, or are we too busy bashing?

We're busy ripping ourselves apart, so shut up you big-fat-yellow-grinning-smiley.

(in the end, sooner or later, we learn these facts by experience. so your research was incredibly useful... for the people that didn't knew that)

No. You act as if i've never been attacked before.

Dunno. In fact, I'm barely here actually, so I don't have the smallest clue about you being some kind of veteran of the previous forum wars. Sorry.

Most of my life i've been attacked, verbally and physically. I have learned to deal with it, but that doesn't mean i have to like it.

Totally right.

And the best way to deal with it is to ignore it. But sometimes you have to take a stand. You can't always ignore everything that bothers you. Sometimes you have to say something against it as i did.

So you replied and exposed your opinions about that. Very good, that's exactly what we want.

It's ironic though. You were talking about Rel merely deflecting a blow, then you attack me and Oracle.

Here the thing starts to get interesting. Let's take a peek and see what the dictionary has to say:

at·tack ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-tk)
v. at·tacked, at·tack·ing, at·tacks
v. tr.

1. To set upon with violent force.
2. To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner.
3. To start work on with purpose and vigor: attack a problem.
4. To begin to affect harmfully: a disease that attacks the central nervous system.

Okay. Now I ask to anyone with a minimum knowledge of the english language: did I criticize strongly and/or in a hostile manner our friends barok & oracle? Yes? No?

Because I simply aimed the comment to both of you that doesn't mean that I want your blood or something like that. Thus, you're proving my point: you're overreacting (not agressively, but in a "victimized" fashion) to a mere commentary. Apparently the one that needs the coke isn't me. Relax, dude. The day I'll want to eviscerate you I'll be polite enough to warn you with anticipation.

Why do you have to attack my opinion? I gave it, and you attack it. Once again ironically, you talk about people overreacting, then you overreact to what i say.

Read again my previous post, IN A SLOW AND RELAXED WAY, and tell me if I was attacking you. Re read the definition again in any doubt.

Retaliation would accomplish nothing but a war. Getting angry at someone or sad only makes trouble. It only means he won.

No. It only means that he/she received the blow, therefore, giving validity to the argument.

To leave an attack unanswered would only show him that he won as well.

Not always true. The people who decides "winners" or "losers" on a thread (and *what* a stupidity is to try to find the meaning of a "win" or a "lost", specially on a forum) are the people watching the argument being discussed, not the parts involved. You know, people aren't stupid -well, most of the time- :roll: and in the end they get their own conclusions.

Overall this forum is much better than most of the forums i've been to.

Yes, and that's another point about why you should chill out and relax. See? To discuss something doesn't hurt. It's a very entertaining and useful "sport", where you'll always learn something, good, bad or not.

Feel free to reply to this, barok, as we're starting to behave like in the good ol' days.