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#31
Quote:But a better one is that Mac OSX kernel is modelled on the FreeBSD
kernel. This gives its phenomenal speed, stability and security.

The core kernel of MacOS X is called Darwin and is based on Mach and FreeBSD. Mach provides the main parts of the kernel such as memory management and multitasking. The main FreeBSD components that have been used are the filesystem and networking code. It also borrows some concepts from NeXT-Step such as the Netinfo system which is a system configuration database similar to the registry. A good overview of Darwin can be found here.

Quote:Of all the people I didnt expect you to say this. The kernel is the heart of the OS.

To most everyday computer users, the kernel they are using doesn't mean much at all. This is why projects such as Lindows (or Lindash) exist. As na_th_an said, Darwin provides only the basic core components for the operating system, most of the parts that are visible to the user like the filesystem and the GUI are proprietry from Apple. A good example of how meaningless the kernel is to Joe computer user, is the fact the the WindowsNT line never became popular until Microsoft merged it with the Win9x line at Windows 2000. It had long since been a superior kernel to the Win9x range, but lacked the ease of use and software support.

I use a number of OSes for different reasons, each has its own strengths and weakness, I dont believe there is any one single "best" operating system, or that the features of some OS (MacOS, Linux, Windows, for example) make it outright better than its competitors.

And calm down people, its a discussion about operating systems/internet browsers/online forums, dont take everything that someone else says as a personal insult. Think before you post, walk around the room or something, have some dip ;-)

BTW, I haven't had the login/logout problem and I browse this forum from at least three different machines, using three different browsers on a regular basis.
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#32
You are right. To a general user the kernel means nothing. But then again, the kernel doesnt determine, to a very great extent, the ease of use of the OS, the GUI/Shell does.

Anyway as I had stated earlier the thread was about "Login/Logout not working on certain browsers"
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#33
Man, I know the kernel is the heart. I was just trying to make you see that MacOSX is not great only 'cause of its kernel, but 'cause of the whole thing working together.

MacOSX, like Linux and most modern operating systems, is a micro-kernel kind of OS. The kernel is who makes everything run together, but you still need processes for the memory, file, network and I/O managers. Being based on freeBSD or not doesn't mean anything, as Loosecaboose (listen to him: this guy KNOWs what he's talking about) said. Without a great GUI, file manager, memory manager, etcetera, MacOSX would be a shit, no matter of how ubercool its kernel is.
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Quote:Man, I know the kernel is the heart. I was just trying to make you see that MacOSX is not great only 'cause of its kernel, but 'cause of the whole thing working together.

MacOSX, like Linux and most modern operating systems, is a micro-kernel kind of OS. The kernel is who makes everything run together, but you still need processes for the memory, file, network and I/O managers. Being based on freeBSD or not doesn't mean anything, as Loosecaboose (listen to him: this guy KNOWs what he's talking about) said. Without a great GUI, file manager, memory manager, etcetera, MacOSX would be a @£^$, no matter of how ubercool its kernel is.

Do you even read other peoples' replies?

Quote:But still MacOSX is better since it has a much more stable kernel in there along with a great GUI etc...

Quote:But then again, the kernel doesnt determine, to a very great extent, the ease of use of the OS, the GUI/Shell does.

I have acknowledged in both replies the point which 'you' just 'raised'.

Quote:You are right.

That was the very first sentence of my reply to LooseCaboose. I cannot acknowledge he is correct in any other way :wink:
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#35
Sorry, I just had read "Of all the people I didnt expect you to say this" and clicked on the reply button promptly Wink
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#36
It's ok. Happens to all of us =).
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#37
I just got a new computer that has WindowsXP Pro 5 months ago. I have not had a 'single' problem with it. all i use it for is programming in VB.Net and Browsing the internet (not downloading anything without checking it with norton antivirus.). on the other hand, i have a laptop which i beat-up by downloading without checking, opening emails i shouldn't have, and deleting what i thought were viruses. now, i have to go through a strenuous process to open a program, and can hardly use the internet without the computer crashing. I'm going to have to agree with nath and adosorken when they say most of windows problems are caused by the user....
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#38
Just a friendly reminder from your neighborhood admin that both TBBQ and Nek should try to keep it civil. Slandering one another here doesn't make either of you look good Wink

Quote:Use Firefox 'cause you like it or you need it, not 'cause "it's cool".

I don't use it because it's cool, I use it because it does things *properly*. I just feel that until those of you using msie start using a better-standards browser for day to day stuff then any new standards coming from the w3c are going to be a joke. I've got no problems with everyone insisting on IE for stuff that a better browser can't handle, but if you can use a standards compliant browser why settle for anything less?

Quote:We use FireFox here, and for some reason, it refuses to retain the cookie for qbasic.tk for more than an hour. Every other site works fine.

Well that'll be either a user error or code error, not a browser error, not unlike what you say later about people hating IE because of their own faults Wink. Just FYI, phpBB session cookies shouldn't last longer than an hour anyway (but autologin cookies will last for ever I think) Smile. Perhaps you simply need to relook at the cookie's configuration and delete it to get a fresh new one?
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#39
Quote:I don't use it because it's cool, I use it because it does things *properly*. I just feel that until those of you using msie start using a better-standards browser for day to day stuff then any new standards coming from the w3c are going to be a joke. I've got no problems with everyone insisting on IE for stuff that a better browser can't handle, but if you can use a standards compliant browser why settle for anything less?

do you really think that in the future, they will be producing everything for firefox and mozilla. no. everything will still be made to be handled by internet explorer. installing a new browser just because its there is like banging your head against a wall because nobody is going to stop you from doing so.
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#40
Nope. I, for one, refuse to make one version of my websites for IE and another for browsers who make the effort to display stuff properly. I think you'll find that if Microsoft doesn't release a new browser within the next five years people will migrate to something else faster than ever before. With SVG support in the latest mozilla browsers (think Flash without a plugin) and other neat ideas coming out of the w3c I think Microsoft will be forced to at least address some of the simple layout problems that IE has.
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