02-15-2005, 12:14 PM
here's a little toy you all might like:
see: BitMask Viewer
http://sweetheartgames.com/PBTools/PBTools.html
see: BitMask Viewer
http://sweetheartgames.com/PBTools/PBTools.html
heheheheh..... powerbasic forum cracks me up
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02-15-2005, 12:14 PM
here's a little toy you all might like:
see: BitMask Viewer http://sweetheartgames.com/PBTools/PBTools.html
02-15-2005, 12:34 PM
Stop flaming poor PB? If its better than FB then it will survive...
02-15-2005, 12:53 PM
If anyone is interested
here's a PB functions comparison chart: http://www.powerbasic.com/support/technote/features.asp
02-15-2005, 02:05 PM
Quote:Antoni Gual Wrote:...for bloated apps you have VB...I should smack you around a few times for that unbased comment. :evil: Ok, i can have a based comment here. Executable disblaying a Form with a Label and a Button will create a ~500 kb binary. But thats not enough, you need to ship fscking vbrun wich is in its modernest incarnation ~500 kb in size. And the best: VisualBASIC does not call normal GDI routines for making up the forms and handling the buttons, it uses its own slow routines that need to be shipped inside vbrun. Besides that, only the enterprise edition "tryes" to create assembler, all the others just create dumb bytecode that still is interpreted. Now tell me why VB shouldnt be bloated? :evil: So Long, The Werelion!
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02-15-2005, 02:17 PM
Tested, a window with a button is 27 Kb in VB6.
The built in functions are slow, yeah. But nothing stops you from using raw API calls. At least VB has built-in functions, unlike PBWin. And the runtime... Well, that sucks, but note that you just need it once. VB is the way to go for GUI coding.
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02-15-2005, 02:44 PM
Quote:And the runtime... Well, that sucks, but note that you just need it once.Yes, one runtime for every VB version. If you get programs from diferent sources you end up with a runtime for VB3, two for VB 4, one for VB 5, one for VB6, then net framework 1.0 then another net framework 1.1 and net framework 1.2 is coming ... Well, it's all hidden in system32 folder, normal user does'nt dare to look there.... Yesterday I received a very simple VB comms monitor program. Just a dialog with many boxes and the comms routine. Using the API It would have required 70 Kb of code, Delphi 5 would make a 350K standalone executable. This is what the installation cab file contained.... Code: 08/03/1999 00:00 147.728 ASYCFILT.DLL And you say VB is not bloated... The full installation of PB , dialog creator, help, debugger, ide, headers and examples is smaller....
Antoni
02-15-2005, 02:44 PM
Quote:Tested, a window with a button is 27 Kb in VB6. Ok, i had VB5 standart for testing and that created such huge thingys. The other thing i dont like is the three class society that MICROS~1 i is making there. Standard, Profesional and Enterprise. > But nothing stops you from using raw API calls. Yeah, but that destroys the idea behind the FormCreator. Why cant the Formcreator just create code that makes direct calls to gdi32? >VB is the way to go for GUI coding. Seriously not, when it comes to GUI ill stick with BCX unless FreeBASIC get some EZ-GUI Commands(Wich are just wrappers to GDI Api and not some obscure libary). Typical BCX Programm: Code: GUI "Test",PIXELS And you cant tell me that a Formeditor can not create something like this... BTW: This is, for example BCX_Form: Code: HWND BCX_Form As i said, just a wrap to the normal GDI routine. So Long, The Werelion!
color=red]Look at you, Hacker. A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?" - Shodan, AI at Citadel Station orbiting Earth[/color]
02-15-2005, 05:07 PM
In VB is just simpler than all that. No message loops, no nothing.
And I was not talking about calls to user32 to do the UI, but calls to GDI32 to draw lines instead of using Picture1.LINE, for example. You don't like VB6, but it doesn't mean that it is bad. At all.
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02-15-2005, 05:27 PM
Brad: Inline ASM?
FB supports it w/o side effects. :*) http://rel.betterwebber.com/junk.php?id=29 I have made a few PB progs, Mostly GFX demos. I kinda like how BASIC's in particular are slowly progressing. I some of us can also code in ASM, C++/C, Pascal, BASIC and Java. :*) So this forum is not just a basic(pardon the pun) forum.
02-15-2005, 06:18 PM
Genso,
looked at your site!! pretty good stuff!! I really liked your 3dTest!! hmmm, also, what do you mean by side affects?... are you saying that FB is a pure assembler?.... Brad |
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