NIRVANA

[Pete]

If I hear another shuffly-haired VH1 twerp pundit smirk out a sardonic little nip of garlic about how Nirvana saved us from hair metal, I’m going to swear off of bad pop-culture-based cable programming forever. Nirvana didn’t save us from shit. They just happened to wander across the teetering fulcrum of shitty eighties music and tip it towards shitty nineties music. I’m no hair metal apologist, but do you think I’m going to thank Cobain for popularizing the humorless angst-sludge that we’re still trying to get rid of today? No way. Grunge basically turned into its own form of hair-metal eventually by way of Creed and Nickelback. Am I blaming Kurt Cobain for stuff that went down way after his death? Yeah, I pretty much am. His suicide made him a martyr, and now we’ll never be rid of him, and he’s galvanized hordes of young longhairs to clench their teeth and make some really serious shit. Also, “Smells Like Teen Spirit” was and still is a major bore. I’d take Skid Row any day. At least “I’ll Remember You” moved around a little.

[Sumo Jo]

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Does this mean you're a goon Pete?

[Josiah Tobin]

( granted there's a lot of metal bands that are more sophisticated in terms of guitar playing but you can't find any better drumming out there. )

Actually... Gene Hoglan of Strapping Young Lad. (and many others)--Listen to his drumming. Not JUST fast and crazily complex (it is when it needs to be) but also has lots of style. There are quite a few amazing drummers out there from both metal and jazz bands. (yes I said jazz :wink: )

[marzecTM]

i would never dare to compare a jazz drummer to a pop band drummer or anything the like. yes you are right there's plenty of good other drummers in the alternative scene. the dresden dolls drummer for example has a very interesting style. never listened to the band you mentioned i will check it out.

[Pete]

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Does this mean you're a goon Pete?

I'm not a Something Awful forum member, but I read the site regularly. Great place.

[matt2jones]

actually I listened to In Utero for the first time last night... or the night before, and it sounded okay to my drunken ears. I've always been interested in Nirvana, but I've never been able to make myself like them... So much potential wasted on stupid comedy and being 'weird'... and slow, and that stupid artistic idea that 'shit doesn't have to make sense'... fucking pop-art.

As far as complexaty goes, my most musically competant friend (18, brought out an electronica album) thinks the fucking world of them, and he's not one to fall for style over substance (he spits on every punk/metal band I show him apart from System and Mr. Bungle)... So I trust there is actually something worthwhile in there, but, like most, I do not see it.

matt

[Jofers]

Nirvana was a good band. I think people who treat them as some kind of hero need to get over it, but they wrote catchy music. Guitar's weak, but it was played by the lead singer so he's partially excused. I can't understand people who say Nirvana's crap, on a rock standard it beats most of the crap that gets put out today amist the sea of emo/punk-pop garbage that dominates radio. Even the metal that gets put out today sucks. Normally there's something to use as a golden standard for music, something that sets one song apart from another, like interesting riffs or something. Most metal music today is just some jerk strumming random chords as loud as he can and reading some crapy poetry of his while clearing his throat or something (what *are* they doing?), they might as *well* bring back the hair bands.

But Kurt Cobain certainly didn't invent grunge, he just put it on MTV. There were a lot more interesting bands that came before him.

[Mech1031]

Motherlovebone created grunge in seattle (in my opinion anyways) years before nirvana was even in the bare bone stages of a band. I actually got into an argument with someone because they said "nirvana created grunge". when i showed them some Motherlovebone and Mudhoney, his reply was "see, thats not grunge." i thought i would hear him out first, so i asked him:

"well then, what does grunge supposed to sound like?"

and his answer pissed me off even more, it was: "like nirvana, the band who created it." this is why you never talk to someone wearing a blink-182 shirt and FuBu jeans.

[Josiah Tobin]

Most metal music today is just some jerk strumming random chords as loud as he can and reading some crapy poetry of his while clearing his throat or something (what *are* they doing?), they might as *well* bring back the hair bands.

I strongly disagree. Yes, there is an AMAZING amount of simply terrible metal bands around today, and sadly they're about all you hear about if you don't go looking for the good ones. Same with MANY other genres. There are lots of great metal bands around today, and not all of them the "ZOMG BR00TAL EXTREME" style. (though there are some so-called 'extreme metal' bands I quite like) For example, some 'modern' bands of various styles-- Persuader, Korpiklaani, Manowar (YES they're still around like it or not :wink: ), Annihilator (still going as well)... And of course then there's the whole Judas Priest reunion thing... Let's see, there's Biomechanical who started pretty recently, that is some real talented metal... Dragonforce are fairly recent... Anyway, I just can't stand stereotyping or generalizations. Yes, lots of the 'metal' that gets attention nowadays is hardly metal at all. Like I said, same with plenty of other genres. There's plenty of great metal nowadays if you're looking for it.
Anyway... rant over...

[Dr_Davenstein]

The Beatles. They were the best... period. They're like 4 generations before me, but I love their music so much.