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[oracle]

Drv: a little more in depth :wink:

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na_th_an: I've never asked a porn user to respect me. What do you mean???

[na_th_an]

I meant that your quote was very unpolite to those who eventually use any related material. To me it is a hobbie like any other which is not illegal nor immoral nor it harms anyone.

It is far more immoral to me to have and use a fire arm than watching some adults material on your own or with your couple.

What I intended to say is that people like me that are not afraid of porn or using it one time or another have to respect people who don't use porn (for example removing stuff from their sites, or not linking to them in common places), and that's fine, but I only ask in return that those people respect us and doesn't treat us as perverts, dellincuents and dirty, untrustable people, like in your post (people who don't get it at home sounds very harsh, don't you think?).

[Zack]

The reason I can't chat in your forum, Strychnine, is because I'm only 12 and if my parental units get a hold of the idea that I'm chatting in forums that contain porn, I'll get booted off the computer, fast.

[oracle]

Na_th, there is a proportion of the porn-viewing population that:

a) trade in it (which, BTW, is completely illegeal in NZ) and
b) have viewed child porn (which is disgusting in any country)

These are the people that I have no respect for, and it is an unfortunate side effect that casual users such as yourself are caught in the crossfire. But that's just like smoking: the vast majority of people like the look of a smoker a lot less than a non-smoker, regardless of what else they see, until they get to know the person. In the same way I think you're a good guy, but for viewing porn you will have to take the stigmata that comes with it.

[na_th_an]

I am completely aware of that. That is what distinguishes between intelligent people and stiffy dumbasses. I'm quite sure of my tastes and I think I'm clever enough to be able to watch certain stuff without being harmed. I also know what's good and what's bad, and of course I advocate for a good tasted "service". I (like any "sane" person) am also agains CP, of course!

I think that is a matter of education. My country is more liberal in some aspects, and there are a number of real, harmless, intelligent "appreciators". Like you surely have realized, pre-judging people is not a good policy (I used to do that in the past, but I had to change my mind 7 times 7). Anyhow, I agree with you when you say that many people are just not prepared.

I now understand Zack, and I also tell Strychnine that if he wants his site for "all audiences" he should avoid those sections. Anyhow, a site about tuning is IMHO focused on older audiences.

And now just for curiosity, Oracle: What do you mean with trading with it being illegal in NZ? Can't you, for example, sell an adult movie in your country?

[toonski84]

it's obviously a matter of culture, guys. when christianity (with complete utter respect to athiesm, pagism and different forms of monotheism) first came around, the disciples blasted the greeks for openly supporting promiscuity and said they were all the devil's children because sex for pleasure is looked down upon by the strictest forms of christianity. fast-forward a hundred years and the same christians were sitting there translating greek manuscripts and literally worshipping the guys because they were so smart.

the point is, is there are differences between cultures, and that doesnt make one right or wrong, and certainly doesnt degrade one's worth. the fact that softcore porn is no big deal is spain shouldnt mean that you should think less of a spaniard nor should it mean you should jump up and grab some playboys. live and let live, folks.

and finally, to strichnyne. yeah, there are kids on the forum. they and people who arent really into porn (that including myself) probably wouldnt visit your site that much.

[na_th_an]

it's obviously a matter of culture [...] the point is, is there are differences between cultures, and that doesnt make one right or wrong, and certainly doesnt degrade one's worth. [...] live and let live, folks. [...]

That was _exactly_ my point. (my prob is that I can't choose the right words like Mr Toonski has done ).

[oracle]

No... on the web, any trading, selling or buying of porn is flat illegal. They have some really good computer specialists in the department of Internal Affairs of somesuch place that actively hunt porn traders, too.

You can still sell a porn video, I think.