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[Hexadecimal Disaster]

...however I'm in the anti-banner brigade cos stuff like that slows the forum loading right down for 56k dial-up users.

That depends. Basically is the same situation: people dislike Flash movies because 80% of these are made with those click-drag-and-you-got-a-movie programs, highly unoptimized and with infernally big sizes. In the end, the problem is "file size", not the banner itself.

In this case in particular, well... TIGER, YOUR BANNER IS A FRIGGIN' BMP! 67654 BYTES!!! :o

[oracle]

Do banners really add to the post in any worthy way? I mean, it's probably ok to have anything if it is under 10K but do we really need to see a favourite image or something like that?

I noticed, hex, that your banner disappeared from your post. Hipocracy? Or just my browser... (10,818, not too bad...)

[Hexadecimal Disaster]

I noticed, hex, that your banner disappeared from your post. Hipocracy? Or just my browser... (10,818, not too bad...)

Nah, I think it's called "Sometimes I don't care about adding Stupidities". :roll:

If you still remember this thread: http://forum.qbasicnews.com/viewtopic.php?t=2568, but if you want to avoid wading into that crap again just to verify a single paragraph, I'll quote myself:

...and I'd never use it (the signature) for short messages, one-line-hit-combos and the such...

The previous message falls into the "short messages" cathegory, isn't it?

BTW, if you ask me...

- I think that the max size acceptable for a dialup user is 12kb. That means about 2 or 3 seconds to load.

- Your statement is also applicable for forum signatures: "Do signatures really add to the post in any worthy way?"

- About "do we really need to see a favourite image or something like that?", maybe you not, but for me is a very valid art expression, just like any funny/clever/informative signature. Talking about signatures, your sig... did someone ask for the stats of your upcoming site? Or that was because of your own initiative? Then I ask you: "do we really need to see that gauge?". And you can perfectly reply with "no, but someone might find it useful/funny/interesting". Again, I think that I already stated my points in that thread, if not, well, blame some strange variety of Alzheimer's.

- Since you asked, I'll include this time my sig.

- And I think that I'll change that image, just for you. 8)

[oracle]

I made the progress bar to lower people's expectations of when the site was due, then hopefully I'll finish ahead of expectations 8)

My signature is OK because:

3 lines, not too much scrolling
Only a few characters takes next to no time at all to load, whereas your banners etc do take time, and remember that if everyone had a banner, and say 5 different people posted in a thread that becomes 15 seconds worth of null downloading.

Now your sig...

Tells us nothing about you, your art pleasures or anything at all about you.
Is 10.8Kb, compared with 150 bytes

My sig may not mean much to you, or many other people, but the difference is that nobody pays if they are not interested (unless they are on a 9600 baud :wink: )

Yes, signatures are handy. I would suggest that people include a link to their website, possibly a graphical one, but only button size. But no, not for what you would use them for. To quote you again, if we needed to know your art preferences, we would ask.

Having got that out, what's your new image gonna be?

[Piptol]

Although it's been fine with just a couple of people having them (and Hex intelligently removing his from short posts) unfortunately not everbody is so considerate. Conceivably you could have 20 different posters on a page, each with there own banner (which is currently unrestricted in size) and if they were all 60k+ like whitetiger's, you're looking at over 1MB of sigs!

Unlikely? Yes, but possible. I guess you're just too cool Hex, everybody wants to jump on your banner bandwagon

[whitetiger0990]

Ok... I just feel like saying I reduced the size of my picture. Happy now?

[RST]

Love your sig. But, without taking on a "I am more righteous than thou art" attitude, I'd appreciate it if you'd replace the cadavar. I think it is slightly offending to some.

* RST steps away from whitetiger to avoid lightning bolt

Thanx.

[whitetiger0990]

*Deflects lightning bolt at bunny*
Sorry i didn't mean to take the "I am more righteous than thou art" attitude but i dont understand cadavar. I dont know what it is. I know that a cadaver is a dead body intended for dissection. But i dont know what cadavar is.

[Hexadecimal Disaster]

It's raining in here, so I got some free time earlier than the expected.

*cracks knuckles* Let's start:

I made the progress bar to lower people's expectations of when the site was due, then hopefully I'll finish ahead of expectations 8)

OK. But who's expecting? :wink:

Only a few characters takes next to no time at all to load, whereas your banners etc do take time, and remember that if everyone had a banner, and say 5 different people posted in a thread that becomes 15 seconds worth of null downloading.

Yep. But browsers (IE, NS and Opera, for instance) intelligently loads the HTML code first, and -then- the images. If you prefer to wait for the loading of the images before start reading, well, it's your problem, not mine. For instance, wizardlife previously posted a series of images regarding Halo 2, and I don't think that you had to wait the loading of all the screenshots to see the contents of the post. Of course I haven't use every browser in existance, so I don't have idea if that rule applies to other browsers. I might be wrong.

Tells us nothing about you, your art pleasures or anything at all about you.

You don't care about my sig? I don't care about yours. Simply as that. Democracy, they say. (and that concept reminds me the "porn thread" debate)

Yes, signatures are handy. I would suggest that people include a link to their website, possibly a graphical one, but only button size. But no, not for what you would use them for. To quote you again, if we needed to know your art preferences, we would ask.

Two things:
- Refer to my previous answer. The pics (and that includes avatars) loads in the background, and that doesn't impair the normal use of the forum. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen the background loading of images in every browser. Piptol, since it seems that you experience slowdowns because of this apparent proliferation of banners, please enlighten me. And don't forget to tell me which browser are you using.
- I'm not stating my art preferences. I simply use that banner because I like it.

Having got that out, what's your new image gonna be?

No idea. Nothing useful, as always, I think. I got recently AutoFX DreamSuite and I'd like to play with it first. 8)

I guess you're just too cool Hex, everybody wants to jump on your banner bandwagon.

Nah, images usually breaks the monotony of plain text, and if used with discretion, it shouldn't bother. Consider it part of the design.

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Summarizing: I've tested the following browsers, and all of these loads the content first and then the images (apparently that's a HTML standard, but I'm not sure): IE 5.0 and newer, NS 6.0 and newer, Opera and Lynx (duh! that doesn't load images at all!). If you can point me which browsers doesn't do that, I'd greatly appreciate that. Thanks in advance.

[oracle]

*cracks knuckles in return*

I made the progress bar to lower people's expectations of when the site was due, then hopefully I'll finish ahead of expectations :8

OK. But who's expecting? :wink:

Zack, Neo, My cousin, Catalyst IT (who want to validate my HTML coding skills)...

Only a few characters takes next to no time at all to load, whereas your banners etc do take time, and remember that if everyone had a banner, and say 5 different people posted in a thread that becomes 15 seconds worth of null downloading.

Yep. But browsers (IE, NS and Opera, for instance) intelligently loads the HTML code first, and -then- the images. If you prefer to wait for the loading of the images before start reading, well, it's your problem, not mine. For instance, wizardlife previously posted a series of images regarding Halo 2, and I don't think that you had to wait the loading of all the screenshots to see the contents of the post. Of course I haven't use every browser in existance, so I don't have idea if that rule applies to other browsers. I might be wrong.

However, when the images are loaded the screen jumps about as the space for the image is resized, which becomes annoying especially when there are tall images being loaded.

Tells us nothing about you, your art pleasures or anything at all about you.

You don't care about my sig? I don't care about yours. Simply as that. Democracy, they say.

I care about your sig when it takes time to dl, and jumps the screen around when being displayed. But in general you are good with your sig (removing it sometimes, not too tall) so this complaint lies with people like relsoft and his huge sig.

- I'm not stating my art preferences. I simply use that banner because I like it.

Sorry, I implied that from your post before.

Also note: Mozilla 1.0.0 (and presumably above) and Konqueror for Linux also load html before images.