C/C++, which one first

[na_th_an]

Mixing therms. Read my prev post, we are having two different conversations here which are not related.

1.- Learning C before C++ is good?

and

2.- Proper OOP.

My points fo view:

1.- Yes 'cause it's good to understand how stuff works.
2.- C++ is not good for learning OOP. It's good when you know OOP.

You're assuming the implementation is exposed. If you only had a listCreate that returned some form of handle, you now are forced to use listGet and listPut. Is C bad because it let's you - like C++ - create an 'unsafe' level of encapsulation ?

You missed my point. I was trying to explain the main differences between OOP and procedural. Nothing else. And that was just an example. Don't discuss for the sake of it

[stylin]

1. Learning C before C++ is good?
It's good in much the same ways as learning assembler before C. Ie, learning a language is always beneficial, but I don't think there's a need to learn C to be able to get the most out of C++, as I typically use very little from it.

2. Proper OOP.
Program in Java. If you want a bigger toolbox, program in C++.

[Radical Raccoon]

1. Learning C before C++ is good?
It's good in much the same ways as learning assembler before C. Ie, learning a language is always beneficial, but I don't think there's a need to learn C to be able to get the most out of C++, as I typically use very little from it.

2. Proper OOP.
Program in Java. If you want a bigger toolbox, program in C++.

Or program in C#. C# is much more cleaner and efficient as an OOP language (when compared to C++), and doesn't come with all that excess baggage that you find with C++. I've used both, and C# is way more easier of a programming language to use. But anyways, I've spent enough time on this thread; time for me to move on.

Nathan: Well said and thanks for the compiler info.

[na_th_an]

C# is Java with C++ syntax :lol:

And VB.NET is Java with VB syntax.

M$ is wise :lol:

[Anonymous]

Seriously, IMO, learn FB first. It's getting to the point where if you learn it right, you will learn a very clean (option ;p) explicit way of programming. and Lots of concepts carry over. You can use pointers, overloading, zStrings, bit shifts, recursion, typedef, etcetc.

All I know about c and c++ I learned with a foundation of knowledge in FB.

[NecrosIhsan]

Well, it's easy to see who the C++ zealot is in this thread... :laughing: