How to let OTHERS run my QBasic progs

[mrwhy]

So it seems ONE answer to my question - how to send my bas progs to friends - is to tell EACH OF THEM to download your complier (I kike to help you grow!).
Then I write in same old way, save the progs NOT as basic tokens buty as text files and say to each friend "fbc thisfile".
Of course to MOD the prog a decompile would be reqd - but at least they could run it (subject to the mods permitted in it by me)

You mention the basic sound commands.
I have always wished these were better. Are they, in FBC.
I do a lotta experimental music (a bit like Harry Partsh ) - like music scales based on the tones of the xylophone and bells NOT the harmonic (Greek) harmonic music of strings.
What does FB offer? Can it do polyphonic soulds (my anharmonic yet beauteous chords?)

For my son (see ginpalace in Google) i have built 200 w tranny amp < 1% distortion and wkg now on progs to make it SOUND LIKE ANY traditional or modern amp of the famous stars. (I do this by wks on the digitised version of its inputs, like the Roland vg-88 does.

Any ideas or suggestions?
Tell me to give up and you just make me worse.


I what OTHER ways can FB do things way beyond QB?

[DrV]

You can just compile your source code (.bas) into an executable (.exe) and send that executable (not the FreeBASIC compiler) to your friends.

[mrwhy]

Well I have dark suspicions it is a positive feedback loop geared for max profit!

I ran the first robot co in UK and we paid , i dunno, £650K for latest DEC computer. I was SIMULATING our robots so we could pROGRAM them safely and quickly WITHOUT the black-museum of failures thing.
So having paid the £650K they said "£56000 per year for updates of software". So I said OK
So they said "And £35K for hardware upgrades per year. So I said "No. We are happy with it as it stands"
Answer came "In that case the software will become INCOMPATIBLE with the hardware"
Talk abt swindling the cow and THEN milking it!

[mrwhy]

You can just compile your source code (.bas) into an executable (.exe) and send that executable (not the FreeBASIC compiler) to your friends.

Newbie doing this all wrong.


I think your work GREAT.
Would thus prefer to help the world pay attention by getting my friends to download your fbc compile (AND the editor for it as soon as available) and telling them to get all their friends to download it.

One big additional advantage is MOST of my progs are "experiments to solve questions by simulating what happens in real world". Thus when you run them you WANT to change all the parameters - to "understand" things by being able to see "but what if...."
On a text file such editing is easy. Once compiled it is hard


Many thanks - your work much appreciated!

[mrwhy]

Newbie confused by "quote" vs "Subject" and ALL the 3-letter contractions mmm, mbc, mgd, etc etc etc

I think, perhaps, this will get sent to Chaos in reply to his above comment!

Yes EVERY change we make to our ideas SEEMS more complex than it is worth at first.
I LOVED 4-fig log tables and found my slide-rule "very difficult"
After all 10 yeare earlier I loved arith and found algebra "very difficult"
But new things soon (some of them) prove their worth and are "mostly supreme" - for example i enjoy Skype but still write the occasional letter. I have destroyed all TV in my house yet listen to steam radio

As to new computers they are Great. This one I am on is SO FAST that it PAYS to adjust your thinking in MANY ways. For example If it is going to take YOUR BRAIN an hour to figure out a "better" program, forget it - for the current inelegant bodge can test ZILLIONS of cases in THAT hour, and thus in any "search" will be way ahead of the "better" prog.

[mrwhy]

You can just compile your source code (.bas) into an executable (.exe) and send that executable (not the FreeBASIC compiler) to your friends.

That terrible newbie again

Dr V
I have spent many years writing progs that "adjust themselves" and machines that teach themselves by Darwin-type evolution.
The main problem is NOT that they do not work - it is that HOW they work is totally opaque to the human brain.
If I, as an engineer, build a bridge i "understand it" in the sense that I know HOW to modify it to "work better".
But when my self-adaptive synthetic neuron-network builds (designs?) that bridge it MERELY succeeds. It gives me ZERO understanding.


HOWEVER, even be it so, why cannot we write an editor for your fbc that, by running many versions of itself and autotesting them EVOLVES a final "best" prog by approaching pre-defined criteria as to best?
Surely THAT is the way, as it would run tirelessly 24 hours a day NOT subjecy to the errors, sloth and vissicitudes of human beings

[Z!re]

You can just compile your source code (.bas) into an executable (.exe) and send that executable (not the FreeBASIC compiler) to your friends.

That terrible newbie again

Dr V
I have spent many years writing progs that "adjust themselves" and machines that teach themselves by Darwin-type evolution.
The main problem is NOT that they do not work - it is that HOW they work is totally opaque to the human brain.
If I, as an engineer, build a bridge i "understand it" in the sense that I know HOW to modify it to "work better".
But when my self-adaptive synthetic neuron-network builds (designs?) that bridge it MERELY succeeds. It gives me ZERO understanding.


HOWEVER, even be it so, why cannot we write an editor for your fbc that, by running many versions of itself and autotesting them EVOLVES a final "best" prog by approaching pre-defined criteria as to best?
Surely THAT is the way, as it would run tirelessly 24 hours a day NOT subjecy to the errors, sloth and vissicitudes of human beings

So go do it.

As I said in my post that was removed. GET THE FUCK OFF MY LAWN! (Read: interwebnets)

Signed,
J. "Z!re" Pihl
Computer Technician
co-founder of APIServers.com

[anarky]

IT... IS... ALIVE...

[Moneo]

......
Dartmouth is a lovely village in Devon, here in UK - Agatha Christie lived there.....

John, again, just for the record, the first Basic was developed at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, USA.

*****

[NecrosIhsan]

You mention the basic sound commands.
I have always wished these were better. Are they, in FBC.
I do a lotta experimental music (a bit like Harry Partsh ) - like music scales based on the tones of the xylophone and bells NOT the harmonic (Greek) harmonic music of strings.
What does FB offer? Can it do polyphonic soulds (my anharmonic yet beauteous chords?)

Someone implemented a PLAY metalanguage, but for sound in FB, you're better off with an external library such as bass.dll or FMOD, or even OS-specific multimedia functions.