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death penalty - adosorken - 02-23-2004
Quote:Now, do you disagree with this statement that I wrote, one of the many you have not responded to: What is your problem with [businesses that employ people in third world countries]? We are offering them an opportunity to work! If we left, they would be unemployed again. No one is forcing them to work there you know!If you do not see that this is incorrect BY NOW, you are seriously BLIND. The societies they live in force them to work like this. They do not have the luxury of demanding a higher wage. So yes...they ARE being forced to work there. Being forced to work there does not mean "at gunpoint", it means, in this case, "or else you die for your own resistance". And besides...WHY ARE WE OFFERING OTHER COUNTRIES TO WORK WHEN OUR OWN UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS SKYROCKETING!
Quote:1. Yes, our government is screwed up. We'll support one leader, he'll turn on us, and then we will fight a war with him. Yes, that sucks, but it isn't the doing of the free market, it is the doing of an overbearing government.Keep in mind that in the USA, government and business are strongly intertwined. Or did you think that one gets the presidency by holding a bake sale?
Quote:2. Opening up countries to foreign investment is about the best thing you can do to a rotting country ready for change. If the economy is in shambles, people will be willing to work for less. Companies, eager to turn higher profits will go in and employ as many of the people as they can. As more companies come in and compete over the cheap labour, wages naturally rise. With this influx of money, prices will also rise, and more a more developed economy emerges.In a perfect world, maybe. However, in reality, this is not the way it works. Why do you think companies tend to isloate countries? My dad worked at Goodyear for 16 years before being laid off as they moved the factory overseas. To a country where no other US companies had involvement. Why? No competition. Dirt-cheap laborers who could be paid, pretty much, in peanuts. Although there are some countries who are targetted by multiple US companies, most are not. And don't go trying the China example...China rebuilt their staggering economy on their own strength, not on ours.
Quote:Adosorken, I will re-itterate to you (whom I might add denied that Saddam commited the attrocities untill I showed you proof from several different news siites :normalMight I suggest reading glasses or a more advanced English course. Nowhere did I deny that Saddam tortured his own people...I said I wanted some proof of it. And it's about time someone actually took the time to go research it, rather than just sitting here on the forum flapping their gums in the breeze. (I actually had to reread pages of this post looking for this mystery denial)., the poverty you describe is the result of socialism and corrupt government. What do you think is the source f their poverty?
The source of poverty in general is rooted in how a government administrates...nothing to do with its type. Here in the USA (and yeah, I'm in the USA), poverty runs rampant in big cities. What? We're a capitalist nation? So then why do we have poverty?
death penalty - Rhiannon - 02-23-2004
Arab countries dont have a socialism, they have a monarchy or dictatorship. Also, why is over 20% of US children living in poverty? The US isnt socialist either.
death penalty - PlayGGY - 02-23-2004
Rhiannon, I don't know why you don't understant this: THE COMPANIES ARE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO WORK FOR THEM!! IF THE COMPANIES LEFT AND WENT BACK TO THE US/EUROPE/ASIA, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE WORSE OFF THAN THEY ARE WITH THE COMPANIES THERE!!
And I will tell you why the companies get cheaper labor from other countries rather than the more skille labor here: The jobs they are exporting are not jobs that require many skills.
death penalty - Agamemnus - 02-23-2004
Oh yeah. One other thing I forgot to mention.
Many markets should be regulated.
Unfortunately you are painting a rather one sided picture of things.
death penalty - PlayGGY - 02-23-2004
Quote:Arab countries dont have a socialism, they have a monarchy or dictatorship.
What!? Socialism is an economic system, it can co-exist with a monarchy/dictatorship.
Quote:Also, why is over 20% of US children living in poverty? The US isnt socialist either.
You do realize that the standard for poverty level is computed relative other's income. Since income is higher before tax in the US than it is in Europe, our poverty level standard is higher. So, anywhere from 14-16% of children are at poverty level here, but they wouldn't be considered at poverty level if they were in Europe.
death penalty - adosorken - 02-23-2004
Quote:THE COMPANIES ARE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO WORK FOR THEM!! IF THE COMPANIES LEFT AND WENT BACK TO THE US/EUROPE/ASIA, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE WORSE OFF THAN THEY ARE WITH THE COMPANIES THERE!!"Associative Slavery"
Nice new word I just made up.
But i'm sure a real word exists that goes a little something like this:
If you don't work, you will be worse off. Therefore, you are OPTIONLESS. You HAVE to work, or else you and your country will die. What part of this do you not understand?
death penalty - Agamemnus - 02-23-2004
Quote:And now that's fun. You are talking about stability issues in South America. Well, let's try to make some history. Who put Noriega in Nicaragua? Who helped Pinochet to begin the dictatorship in Chile in 1973? Who aids the SPARCs and the ultra-right-wing guerrillas in Colombia? Now talk about mid-west, who helped the Talibans to reach to the power? Who propicied the IRAQ-IRAN war in the eighties? Who sold weapons to Saddam Hussein for that war? Who trained Usama Ben Laden?, I can follow... what was the sense of Vietnam? Why did more than 1,000,000 of innocent people die in that war?
All that lack of stability has been produced by YOUR COUNTRY!
That's not quite true, you know: Vietnam and Afghanistan was a military confontation between Soviets and everyone else. Even in Vietnam, Russians provided logistics and weapons to the enemy of the US, and other things too. It was a call that was made between dictatorship and the spread of Communism.
death penalty - adosorken - 02-23-2004
IMO, chalk Vietnam to be YET ANOTHER war the US had no business getting involved with. And hell...look what it did to the soldiers who were "fortunate" to survive it...
death penalty - Rhiannon - 02-23-2004
Quote:Rhiannon, I don't know why you don't understant this: THE COMPANIES ARE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO WORK FOR THEM!! IF THE COMPANIES LEFT AND WENT BACK TO THE US/EUROPE/ASIA, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE WORSE OFF THAN THEY ARE WITH THE COMPANIES THERE!!
And I will tell you why the companies get cheaper labor from other countries rather than the more skille labor here: The jobs they are exporting are not jobs that require many skills.
That's not a reason to not employ US workers who are in desperate need of jobs. Also, no need to write in caps, i can see, read and understand just fine.
So basically what you are saying is that US companies are a gift from the Goddess to these people, and that US companies are closing operations in the states, leaving thousands of people unemployed, to take those jobs to third world countries becuz they need the jobs and since the jobs arent skilled then they can do it?
death penalty - adosorken - 02-23-2004
God Bless America :roll: :roll: :roll: