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[Agamemnus]

GOD DAMNIT, READ WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!!

SOCIALISM IS AN INTERMEDIATE ON THE WAY TO COMMUNISM.

Ehh...regardless, socialism and capitalism are not the same thing as communism. Communism is an embellishment of socialism.

COMMUNISM IS NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

Wrong... socialism is an economic system. Communism isn't.

FASCISM IS A FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

And the Russian government's form of government was COMMUNISM.

A COMMUNIST COUNTRY CAN BE A DEMOCRACY, OR A LIMITED MONARCHY, OR A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP.

No. A communist country is a communist country. End of story.

A SOCIALIST COUNTRY CAN BE A DEMOCRACY, A MONARCHY, OR A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP.

Nope. Monarchies or fascist dictatorships can never be socialist, because in monarchies, the King owns all the land. In a fascist dictatorship, the oppressed peoples own nothing, not even their life.

Democracies can't be socialist, either, because a democracy means that the people have a right to their property, life, and freedom. A country, such as Canada (or the US), could have a socialist policy on some issues, but never be socialist.

A CAPITALIST COUNTRY CAN BE A DEMOCRACY, A MONARCHY, OR A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP.

A capitalist country cannot be a fascist dictatorship or a monarchy, because capitalist countries must grant property rights to the people.

[SJ Zero]

Go away. If you can't condescend to even bother reading what I have to say, why should you have the right to respond to me?

[Agamemnus]

I answered every one of your misconceptions one by one.

That is what you seem to be saying. I answered. Now, do you have any coherent response?

[SJ Zero]

Try actually reading my posts, moron. You're insulting us both by rushing off to post your comments and neglecting to read what I have to say.

[Agamemnus]

I did read what you said. I read both the dictonary.com thing and your part of that post. You are correct on some parts of the definition of socialism, but you are wrong on others.

Let's not continue name calling, now.

PS: moron is worse than fool. So I reserve the right to call you a fool at least six (6) more times.

[SJ Zero]

I did read what you said. I read both the dictonary.com thing and your part of that post. You are correct on some parts of the definition of socialism, but you are wrong on others.

Let's not continue name calling, now.

PS: moron is worse than fool. So I reserve the right to call you a fool at least six (6) more times.

You have a right to call me a fool just as soon as you tell me where I said *ANYTHING* about communism being an intermediary form of ANYTHING. Read closely now, I don't want to have to call you it again.

[Agamemnus]

Don't you remember that you said the Russian gov't was fascist? That's why I called you a fool.

In this, the government owns the means of production. It's meant as an intermediary between capitalism and communism.

And yes, I did word it wrong, but communism is not on the same line (I'm repeating myself) as capitalism or socialism.

And notice how many times dictionary.com say COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP for the COMMON ADVANTAGE OF ALL ITS MEMBERS?

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Now, from that you get the silly idea that a Monarchy can be socialist?

[SJ Zero]

Don't you remember that you said the Russian gov't was fascist? That's why I called you a fool.

Do you even understand what a fascist government is?
Again, from dictionary.com

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Sounds like a pretty good description of Soviet Russia to me. Who is the fool here, again?

And yes, I did word it wrong, but communism is not on the same line (I'm repeating myself) as capitalism or socialism.

Yeah, stupid Karl Marx. What was he thinking? What a douchebag, I mean, the father of communism should know a thing like that! Why would *HE* of all people think socialism was a step towards communism?

And notice how many times dictionary.com say COLLECTIVE OWNERSHIP for the COMMON ADVANTAGE OF ALL ITS MEMBERS?

Do you not understand what collective ownership means? Put simply, it means the people collectively own everything. It's the abolition of personal property; "Give what you can, take what you need". Sound familiar?

Now, from that you get the silly idea that a Monarchy can be socialist?

This silly little socialist country called Canada. I guess you haven't heard about it, but it's widely considered to be socialist because of it's high taxes taken for the purpose of redistributing wealth for the common good. Gee...why does that sound familiar?

[Agamemnus]

Sounds like a pretty good description of Soviet Russia to me. Who is the fool here, again?

Read what a dictator is. And read how the Soviets chose their leaders.

Yeah, stupid Karl Marx. What was he thinking? What a douchebag, I mean, the father of communism should know a thing like that! Why would *HE* of all people think socialism was a step towards communism?

I think you're saying that? Karl Marx is the father of SOCIALISM.

Do you not understand what collective ownership means? Put simply, it means the people collectively own everything. It's the abolition of personal property; "Give what you can, take what you need". Sound familiar?

What's your point? A monarchy can't be socialist.

This silly little socialist country called Canada. I guess you haven't heard about it, but it's widely considered to be socialist because of it's high taxes taken for the purpose of redistributing wealth for the common good. Gee...why does that sound familiar?

The US has high taxes, as well. Probably even higher than Canada's. Canada is not socialist. It has a socialist policy. If canada was Socialist, then I'd be able to immigrate to Canada and ask the closest McDonald's for a burger, and they'd give it to me for free. If Canada was socialist, it would be a planned economy. Canada does not have a planned economy. You might claim it does, because you don't even know what a planned economy means. Canada is a capitalist, socialist leaning country.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Canada became a planned economy. With a leader like that. . .

[RST]

Admin:
Please lock. This has gotten way off topic and is turning into a flame war.

Aga & SJ:
Neither of you will ever concede the other is correct. This "debate" is pointless, but if you want to continue it, please do so via PM. No offense meant.