I drew a dog...'s head

[na_th_an]

unfortunately my freind, art is more or less a gift. sure you can take a class on it, but you never be as good as some people who have never had a class in their life. when i produce a picture, i set up a little 'stuido', so to speak. it consist of a desklamp, my laptop, enlarged photos and normal photos, a whole mess of different pencils (prisma mostly), water colors, acryllics, and all that jazz. You just have to keep at it though. a picture may start out looking terrible, but you just have to keep going and soon it will look amazing.

I don't think it's a gift at all.

I can draw 'cause I am holding a pencil since I was 2 years old, and that makes 23 years of praticing.

It has to do with creativity, visual perception/understanding and stuff like that, but only practicing you learn to draw.

The difference between people who can draw and who can't is that people who can draw began drawing when they were young children and kept with that 'cause they liked it. Just that.

Music is different. A composer's brain is different, it has more and different connections between left and right lobules so analysis and synthesis combine better to produce music. But this doesn't happen to people who can draw.

It is just a matter of teaching your hand to obey you + spatial capacity.

And I think (by experience) that if a picture looks bad in the beginning, better throw it away and start over. Patch over patch trying to "fix" a picture make a pastiche.

But meh, I am just a comics drawer

[Z!re]

[semi-offtopic]
Nath, would it be possible to have translated versions of your comics?

They look cool, too bad I can't figure out what they say, at all..
[/semi-offtopic]




Programming is a gift, no wait, no it's not.
You learn programming. But that does not mean you are a good programmer.
Just because you know every command in QB inside out does not make you capable of actually using them to something good.
It's your ability to place them in their context, and use them in combination with other commands that make the program.
And then you have even more thinking to do, what program should you make, how should you do it, is here a better way.

Programming is hard. You learn it, but that does not mean you can do it.


Art on the other hand, you learn it, and then you can do it?

Everyone can draw, for example, I can daw a circle.
It's a circle, so? I can draw, and I just did, the fact that you don't like my drawing has nothing to do with it.

Drawing a tree for example, I might draw a tree like a stick with a green ball on it.

While you might draw it as the trunk, with lots of twigs.

And asdfgh might focus on the leafs.


So, how would drawing be a gift if noone can say how it should be done?

You learn drawing? No, you learn to draw like other people want you to draw.


Everybody can draw, not everyone can draw like other people want them to.


*Z!re blames society for everything these days*

[Mech1031]

Z!re:
i did not mean, if you can't draw the mona lisa than you can't draw at all. you are right in the sense of art is an aquired taste. but what i am talking about is wether you can draw it so it comes out like you want it too. for instance:

I want to draw a tiger.
I try to draw a tiger, but it doesn't come out anywhere near i wanted it to.
In otherwords, It is a faliure by my own standards.

for someone who can draw:

I want to draw a tiger
I try to draw a tiger, and it comes out great.
it is a success by my own standards.

so what i'm trying to say is, I draw for myself, and i try to improve my skills so oneday, i might get paid for drawing (for myself).

[Hexadecimal Disaster]

I can draw 'cause I am holding a pencil since I was 2 years old

Talent.

and that makes 23 years of praticing.

Polished talent.

It is just a matter of teaching your hand to obey you + spatial capacity.

Therefore, anyone can't be an illustrator. You can train and train, but if you lack the perception *and* the talent you'll suck no matter how many times you try. Same with music. The musical ear can be trained, but there are people that are beyond hope in that department.

Art is something kinda mysterious, you know. 8)

[na_th_an]

What I meant is that there is not a special quality who will "make you draw". People with creativity and spatial capacity may or may not learn to draw. Being good at the two previous things doesn't mean that if when you are 15 you take a pencil for the first time you are gonna know how to draw. You have to practice in order to learn. Sure: it will be easier for you 'cause space is better understood in your head, but you need the "ability" in your hands, that is not given. For example, I can't barely make a tie and I am extremely dumb with my hands, I never liked manual work at school and I am horrible in that, but I can play many instruments and draw just 'cause I practiced.

Music is different. You can have musical ear, so you could be a good interpretator, playing greatly your instrument. You also need training.

But you can have a "compositor's" mind, which does not need such amount of training. Compositors are gifted. Surely you need to know some musical theory to compose properly, but you can also compose without it.

Btw, nice to talk to you again, HD.

[Rhiannon]

lol nice comic...now finish queerbasic!

Nice to see you back HD, me hiciste falta

[relsoft]

Concert Recess? @Hex

[Hexadecimal Disaster]

What I meant is that there is not a special quality who will "make you draw". People with creativity and spatial capacity may or may not learn to draw. Being good at the two previous things doesn't mean that if when you are 15 you take a pencil for the first time you are gonna know how to draw. You have to practice in order to learn. Sure: it will be easier for you 'cause space is better understood in your head, but you need the "ability" in your hands, that is not given. For example, I can't barely make a tie and I am extremely dumb with my hands, I never liked manual work at school and I am horrible in that, but I can play many instruments and draw just 'cause I practiced.

An opinion that I respect, but that doesn't convince me. I think that to draw and to make music is basically the same thing: talent + practice. Any variation on the amount of these factors repercuss on the final product.

But you can have a "compositor's" mind, which does not need such amount of training. Compositors are gifted. Surely you need to know some musical theory to compose properly, but you can also compose without it.

Yep, but to know the theory behind everything helps a lot. And I'm talking by experience. Both in music and artworks.

Btw, nice to talk to you again, HD.

Ah, the pleasure is mine. Kochira koso. 8)

Nice to see you back HD, me hiciste falta

AAAAUUUUUUUUUUUU... HOW CUTE!!!!!!111111111 *weeps*

Concert Recess? @Hex

Nein, mein Freund. Just passing by. I /still/ need a new job, though. :roll:

*sigh*

[relsoft]

Tired of Cobol?



Hah. I thought Qbasic *is* old.

[Dr_Davenstein]

I need a new job too... I'm tired of smoking flux! :lol:

Seriously though...

I can play the guitar like an alien on crack or sculpt an overly-complicated idea, but I can barely draw a shtick man holding a shtick! I'm not sure what spatial capacity has to do with sculpting, but it can't be too much. I was good at that the first time I tried it and I can't draw at all, no matter how much I try to practice.