Legalization of marijuana

[toonski84]

(apparently you're not relaxed right now) :wink:

dont get angry, man. it's a debate on a forum. everyone has an opinion, and i stand by mine. If you ask me, when things turn into quote-fests, it usually means both sides have exausted their points. It's a tough call, which is why the big guys havent come up with a decent solution yet.

Yes side: People should make decisions for themselves.
No side: People as a whole are dumb. It will be abused 10-fold.

[relsoft]

Bottom line? weed is useful if used right. But legalizing it would well make it just "over the counter" and that's bad!!!

MJ=Hallucinogen and I wouldn't wan't the driver of the bus feeling he's Arnold Swarzenegger!!!

;*)

[BinarySHOCK]

toonski: i'm sorry if i sounded angry, but it just pisses me off when people say it's addictive and kills your brain cells and whatever when that is not true.

[toonski84]

...and it pisses me off being called wrong. I didnt mean to say it's addictive like crack where you have cravings and your leg twitches, and you need to come off in steps after 3 shots. But the chemical basis for addiction is there. Anything addictive is this way. Food is addictive this way. Now it's not anything seriously altering like opium based stuff is, but it's addictive. People often say "It's not addictive addictive but it's addictive because it's easy to do". That's from the anandamide. I mean, think about it. It feels good to smoke weed, but you're either inhaling a burning plant or eating leaves (or baking it in a brownie, but what brownie tastes good with leaves in it?). That's what i meant by addictive (there needs to be more words in the language for that one).

But, I'd probably side with rel, looking back. That post kind of puts things in perspective.

[Phydaux]

No chance of getting lung cancer from chewing tobacco, either, right?

We're not talking about tobacco, or chewing MJ. Chewing tobacco, can cause mouth and throught cancer. I don't know of any practices where people chew MJ.
Like I said. I don't smoke MJ I only eat it (in stuff like cake, and hot-chocolet)

my friend, i dont get my facts from biased friends or my local crappy newspaper. I hang out with a group that smokes weed. They're my best friends. But they're wasting their lives. And even what you call "recreational" pot smoking. And don't tell me pot smoking is not addictive. How would you know? I know because it is an neurotransmitter agonist, which means you are chemically dependent on thc for whatever feeling you get from pot.

It's addicitve psychologicaly, because people like the feeling, and would like more of that feeling. You wouldn't say that people are physically addicted to sex, but they keep doing it because it bloody great. You do not get withdrawl symptoms from THC because of the length of time it takes to leave the body, lab-rats had withdrawl symptoms but this is because they were injected with a drug that blocks the THC receptors, this isn't how it wors IRL tho. I don't think you have the right to say these people have wasted their lives until they are dead and you can see their accomplishments (or lack of). If they like what they are doing it's not much of a waste of their time.

Whether you know it or not, you cannot relax as easily now as you could before you started smoking. I didn't get that from a damned pamphlet.

Strange how people are more relaxed from taking MJ, I definatly feel more relaxed, I feel more relaxed for weeks after smoking my friend (the one who runs a pub) has only been able to cure his insominia with MJ.

No drug has beneficial properties.

Why do you contradict yourself? No drug has benificial properties? What crap! If I take a pain-killer, and it gets rid of my headache then I would say that is a benificial property of the pain-killer. If I want to hallaucenate and I take LSD, and it makes me hallaucenate then that is a benificial property. It depens why people take the drugs they do to decide what is benificial.

Even caffiene (it doesnt "wake you up", it just keeps you concious, your brain functions just as crappy).

Caffeine increases alertness which can help with studing.

Medically, drugs are used to correct imbalances to ease pain, but a healthy individual has no right taking them.

So you would see an end to recreational drugs such as alchol, nicotene, and caffeine?

Now, as for prohibition, marijuana was banned in the 1930s, as was crack. It's still in the books today, and unlike alcohol, which people abuse regularly, it's used by a minority in the states. Here's another lesson on prohibition. For three years, the legal drinking age was lowered to 18 in Florida. Fatal car accidents jumped. Majorly. thousands of percent. Now at 18, you are fully developed for abstract thinking, and capable of making decisions on your own. So why not let people make the decision to drink and drive on their own?

I'm not quite sure what your trying to say here. Drink driving is not a problem with the drug but the people taking it. There is probably no literature given to the youth about the affects of alchol, the prosecution they will face if caught etc. But drink driving affects people other than the partisipants, when things go wrong, so they should not be alowed to choose for them selfs.

[toonski84]

arg! quote fest! why is that button allowed? Maybe if they wrote "anal-retentive" on the button it would be more descriptive. it's for selecting among a list of topics, not quoting someone sentence for sentence in 10 or 11 posts back.

EDIT: ^ ug, what did i just write there? sorry, i can't think right now... i dont really think you're anal retentive, i just a have a thing with sentence by sentence stuff

look, of course drugs have benefits, but when aren't sick, or they aren't correcting an imbalance in place, there's no benefit to them. the addiction argument is long past that quote you put, and as for the drunk driving example, it's an example of the legalization of a long-illegal mind-altering drug. as for caffiene, it's an addictive drug, yes, but it's not nearly as potent as most of the illegal drugs out there, and it doesnt alter judgement. and it doesnt increase alertness. if you go a long time on caffiene you'll understand this.

[Phydaux]

arg! quote fest! why is that button allowed? ...

Sorry about the sentance by sentance stuff, but most of the time I have a discussion with someone they get lost if I don't explain each of the points I bring up. I'll remember not to do that to you in future.

I agree with you, that the legalisation of drugs WILL have negative side-affects, but I believe the positives out-weigh the negatives.

Just because a drug isn't used medicinaly doesn't mean it doesn't have benifits. I believe it is alright for a person to use drugs for their enjoyment.

From the moment we wake up, being alive is dangerous. Every year in the UK, twenty people are electrocuted by their bedside lamp or alarm clock. Another twenty die as they fall getting out of bed. Thirty people die from drowning in their morning bath, and sixty are seriously injured putting on their socks. And a shocking 600 people each year die from falling down stairs -- nearly two people per day.

about 3 people a day die from drug misuse, which you are obviously against. But you don't seem to be against alarm-clocks and stairs.

If you do a quick search on ask.com of "does caffeine increase awareness?"
You get lots of websites saying that it does.