Notepad Workers...

[DrV]

As a general rule, tables should only be used for actually making tables, not for layout. There are plenty of good reasons for this, but I can't really remember them right now. http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ comes up in a Google search, though.

[Rattrapmax6]

Yeah, but doesn't stop their usage.. This forum uses Tables to divid the stuff up, and I see alot of other well made sites that use tables to sort stuff out....

imho, it's what ever gets the job done.... Just cause it's a table tag doesn't mean it can't branch out and do other things.. It's sorta like the tricks people came up with in QB to make cool effects.. They wern't originaly designed to do that, but that didn't stop them now did it?

Anyway....

[potato]

actually it did stop them -- once winxp came out a lot of those hacks stopped working because memory is handled differently

tables shouldn't be used because of
a) what drv said
b) the file is not scripted in the same coherent manner that the content is read (columns before rows? no, we read panels left to right, then top to bottom, not top to bottom left to right)
c) tables cause pages to load slower. most browsers will load the entire contents of a table before displaying it. divs load one at a time

tables were just convenient for design at the time since that's all designers had
now designes have CSS, making tables useful for... tables.
don't skimp by using the CSS property display: table; either, that makes DIVs behave as tables and is the EXACT same evil.

validation is one thing, coherence is another, e.g.,

<strong style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 3em;">Hi, I'm not really bold text. I'm improper use of a tag. I validate, though.</strong>

[axipher]

I personally like the site, I like the idea of a website devoted to designing websites.

@potato: (Off-Topic) Could you maybe check out my site and give me critcism, It's my first attempt after 1 day of online html tutorials and trying CSS, it's My Site. Everyone else can check it to, but only the homepage is up-to-date right now so be warned.

[Dr_Davenstein]

The background of that site changes colors, every time I move the mouse. Please advise... :lol:

[Rattrapmax6]

@axipher: You know, it's great that you know javascript and all, but that background is a bit :wow: .... It looks like one of those crappy/annoying animated "You've won a million dollars" gifs that blink franticaly....

Plus, the whole site is a 404 error....

What's w/ the span tags btw? you know you can set a class right into sertian tags, which saves on the codes size.... eg: you have "style8" for all the links in the table, you can set the class to table and only have to write it once. then switch to style10 for the divider titles when you need to..

My two cents on it... =) ...

[KiZ]

My eyeeees! X_X

[potato]

I personally like the site, I like the idea of a website devoted to designing websites.

@potato: (Off-Topic) Could you maybe check out my site and give me critcism, It's my first attempt after 1 day of online html tutorials and trying CSS, it's My Site. Everyone else can check it to, but only the homepage is up-to-date right now so be warned.

lay off the crack that stuff can kill you (& i'll pm you with the critique)

[whitetiger0990]

sorry I'm a bit late on the critique.

First thing I thought was "Oo, looks nice."

Till I saw, "It is highly recommended that you view this site in Firefox, there are some errors when using IE."

Yeah... bout that... The majority of the internet uses that thing. Oh, valid HTML you say? Barely. I recommend xhtml anyways. Though.. that's usually painful if you aren't using a dynamic site.

Is it wise to have the users download the installers from yoursite itself?


*sigh* I hate what the word hack has become. I don't think the hacker emblem (the glider from John Conway's Game of Life) means anything bad... unlike "electronic civil disobedience" that is hackivist.

It seems to be secure. (not that it's hackable anyways.. without it being dynamic). The forum uses a frame, which is fugly.

It looks nice. But that doesn't mean it is nice. But it passes. Congrats. =)


Okay.. Axipher... what the hell is that. It doesn't even work.

• 1) Stop depending on Javascript.
  2) If a bot can't navigate it, I don't want to.
  3) Changing the mouse isn't fun anymore.
  4) Woah, I just turned on javascript. Get rid of that background changing thing. It burns.
  5) Oh, I see that the links weren't dependent on javascript.. it was that THE LINKS DON'T POINT ANYWAYS.
  6) Best viewed with firefox? get rid of that.
  7) Your page doesn't even pass HTML 4.01 Transitional. Fix that.
  8) Get better colors

You know? I seriously think your site gave me a stomach ache.


Oh yeah Jimmy Jones, don't drink the kool aid.

[potato]

haha whitetiger don't be so mean to axipher
yea i forgot, the inline frame in notepad workers is not a good idea for something that can go right on the page