I am proud to announce the opening of my new FB demo compo!

[Z!re]

1, 2)
AAP's rules page made FF die.
And AAP, i dont care if you're not going to, or never will use FF..
Properly made websites are no problem, your's isnt properly made.

So what if my page is slow

And now we know why you will never get a job in the website bussiness.


3)
AAP, FB has NO BUILT IN OPENGL COMMANDS, TO USE OPENGL YOU NEED TO USE THE OPENGL LIBRARY. ALL FB CAN DO IS INITIALIZE AN OPENGL WINDOW, IT CAN _NOT_ DRAW ANYTHING ON IT.

So, I can use GFXLib to init a window.. thats it.. I sure hope I win ^_^...


4)
Yes, it's simple, it also doesent matter.
Infact, how about if I make a demo that runs in both windows at the same time?

OOPS! That would dissqualify me.. crap..

It makes it stupid because it's a useless rule. It doesent affect anything, relly, it doesent.

I have to say, most sincerelly, and wholeheartedly from the depths of my truthfulness that I will not possibly enter your FreeBASIC Ultimate Demo Compo and I tell you that upfront now man, so we shall have no missunderstandings, REPEATEDLY!!

I may even take joining into consideration if I find the time to most splendidly and amazingly do so!!! !




The rules)

I want absolutely no material or typing that would be deemed inappropriate and/or offensive to the users viewing your entry, please. That is all I kindly ask.

And we all know you, so my half naked (correct if you take into account the time in which my demo takes place) fairy witch, that flies up to the screen and touches it with her wand, making everything explode into a cascade of coulor. Is out of the question?

You havent changed any rules, they're still there, you just thought that by not typing them out noone would notice.



* Z!re wanders off to make a demo featuring naked men, as it's the only thing AAPs old rules allow, and apparently the only thing AAP likes.

[MystikShadows]

I'd like to throw a word in.

I'm not one to participate in these debates so I won't. However, maybe it's a good time to define a programming competition. :-).

For one thing, if we told everyone to dissapear for the summer, create what they want, come back at the end of the summer and show us what you got....where's the competition on that? Seems to be that's what's being stated here...let everyone do what they want freely, and come back to show your stuff.

As far as I'm concerned, any "rule, guideline, directly, limit, or anything else that narrows down the choices and possibiliites of a compo" is an added challenge to that compo, not an obstacle or a reason/excuse to not participate in it. Atleast, in my opinion, that's how I see and understand the rules of the competition (this one and even the older compos that adigun did) Sure there was a lot, but I say that if we could make something that fits within those restraints, it would be quite a challenge and might make us all better programmers in the end. Again, this is my opinion :-) I'd be bored if I was being told to go off for the next 2 months and do whatever I want. Because if there was no compo, that's still exactly what I'd do....

Please understand that I'm not here to add gasoline to the flames, I'm not on Adigun's side, or on anyone else's, i'm jus there to share my view of what a competition should/could be to indeed warrent the title of a competition. I just think people here don't have the same definition of a competition, doing whatever you want isn't much of a challenge and doesn't constitute much of a competition in my mind. like I said I've been around for close to a year now, if I would have been there back when adigun created those first compos of his, I would have probably given it a try just to see if I could do it, if I can take on the challenge and reap the rewards (although the rewards would be a personal pat on the back for actually succeeding).

I don't think that any rules to a compo (whether explicit or implied) is a reason to bring down the house on the creator of the compo. like is being done right now. It's certainly not a reason to laugh at the way people generate their phrases either ;-). Basically he created the compo, you read it, you either like it or you don't, you join it or you don't, right? :-). If you are telling him all this in the hopes that he removes them so that you can join, well there's a better way to let him know, a more civilized one, I believe. If you don't care about his compo (rules or no rules) don't try to make him take it off the internet just cause you don't want to see it. Just don't join it. Again no reason to flame him or insult him. it's all a matter of choice, in my opinion.

Ok...Again, I only stated here, the injustice that was so obvious, and well injustice isn't something I like to live by or see. I don't want to argue, I said it, it's in the past, you're all still as kewl as ever :-). But this is what I observed, and I had to say a word about it :-).

Thank yuou all for your time and I look forward to talking to all of you, still, I hope, real soon :-).

[Z!re]

We argue because we know AAPs rules, and what he thinks.

As an example can be mentioned you're not allowed to portrait any magical entity in your program, or anything "godlike"

Because it goes against his beleifs.

Also, no nudity, or even swimsuits, even talking about it like I just did, makes him go insane.

Gnomes, fairys, elfs.. all banned..


While it doesent matter much in this compo. well, it might.. We just know he'll pull some random rule to disqualify any entry he doesent like. Even if it's the most wonderful and amazing thing ever.

And he doesent give any rules, he gives "rules"..

I want absolutely no material or typing that would be deemed inappropriate and/or offensive to the users viewing your entry, please. That is all I kindly ask.

[MystikShadows]

well for that, one could use a general G-Rated definition, if it can't be seen on daytime TV, it should be in a compo....however, yes, if it can be seen on daytime TV (swimsuits, mystikal creatures and all) it should be allowed. It's not the beliefs of Adigun that should matter here, but the definition of non offensive material. if he finds it offensive, that would be his problem if it's not offensive by definition of the terms. I agree with that :-).

[ShadowWolf]

but it's his compo so he can define what is offensive or inappropriate.

which makes things way to vage since we already know his values are way out of sync with the majority of the people in the QB community.

[Zap]

but it's his compo so he can define what is offensive or inappropriate.

Yes but if he wants to have people enter his compo, he will have to loosen up those rules, which is what we're trying to tell him.

[Adigun A. Polack]

To all of you:

I am gonna simply have to strongly agree 100% with MystikShadows, whether he is on my side or not.

And, since I am not gonna even argue at all, and that I will pass no gasoline at all too in this thread, it is truly safe to say that where the new rules are concerned, I have successfully removed the “offense” lists that ultimately plagued my three QuickBASIC Caliber Programming Compos, simply because all they did, really, was added a bunch of senseless “legalism” to them causing the people to not enter at all as a result of that. So in this new FB compo, the rule about me not wanting any material that is inappropriate and/or offensive to the users — minus the list of offenses — is much better than ever, *at least* to the user. Fear not!!! :wtnod:=b

Another thing, it do not make even a little drop of difference at all if my beliefs are anywhere different from yours, since we are all unique and different in the first place already — even as programmers in QB and/or FB, too! Hey, that is just part of the QB45/QB71/FB community (whether we realize it or not!). Thus, there is really no point period for people like at least some of us to even argue about it and tear one another down, after all. Look, I have truly genuinely changed (even to where I even allowed some more stuff to add some balance!), yet I STILL cannot allow just everything at once, because then I would be definitely out of balance and have no compo but rather a free-for-all ( :???: ). Listen, this is the FreeBASIC Ultimate Demo Compo, not a FreeBASIC Ultimate Demo Free-for-All. You understand me now?

And, to anyone out there, if you do not like my newly-arranged rules, I believe that the safest thing for you to do then is to just simply not enter it. Period. Because, I for one am NEVER gonna even force you or anyone else to enter my new compo. People can choose whether or not they want to enter it, through *their own* choice and decision, and I am giving them that free choice in its entirety with all of my heart. That is all. =b !

I am not on anyone’s side, and I have not brought out my new compo to please certain people either. Rather, the compo is here to be an even-better blessing to you and the QB45/QB71/FB community, and that is all.

Bye for now, and *please* take this message into such seriously important consideration.




- Adigun Azikiwe Polack
One of the Founders of “Aura Flow” ::: Continuing Developer of “Frantic Journey”
Current Developer of “Star Angelic Slugger” ::: Webmaster of the “AAP Official Projects Squad”
Original Creator of the “The New FreeBASIC 8-Bit Palette Machine”

[Z!re]

Ok, so I'll submit my MMORPG engine demo as an entry.

It has everything a fantasy RPG is supposed to have, dwarfes, elves, magic, numerous gods, pain, blood, some harsh language, some light jokes.. all in all.. it's a fun game, with some pretty cool graphics.


Would that be allowed, AAP, soon to be 14..

[Dr_Davenstein]

I just have a question about the ogl thing. We can initialize ogl, but we can't draw anything? Is this correct?

[Adigun A. Polack]

To Dr_Davenstein:

We can initialize ogl, but we can't draw anything? Is this correct?

It is a sort of a mixed bag at first, but when using GFXlib 2, it *is* possible to use OpenGL there. From what I know however, once you activate the “OpenGL” mode in there, you cannot use any of GFXlib 2’s own drawing primitives and other graphic functions that it normally provides, because they will have no effect whatsoever, and your screen will not be updated for you automatically either. Thus, by simply using the FLIP command there as soon as your screen frame is ready, that the only way you will update your screen, and that is useful for after you do your regular OpenGL drawings and such, man.

So in a way, YES, you are exactly correct, Dr_Davenstein.

Thank you so much for your wonderful honesty, and I am just telling you what I know here, too (even though I have *never* programmed any OpenGL stuff in FB before at all so far). See you again!




- Adigun Azikiwe Polack
One of the Founders of “Aura Flow” ::: Continuing Developer of “Frantic Journey”
Current Developer of “Star Angelic Slugger” ::: Webmaster of the “AAP Official Projects Squad”
Original Creator of the “The New FreeBASIC 8-Bit Palette Machine”



P.S. Dr_Davenstein, If you would go to Rattrapmax6’s own FB source-code example involving both GFXlib 2 *and* OpenGL (found in the 5th post of his thread right here!), you can get more insight of how an OpenGL demo is being done within GFXlib 2. I am glad to help you, my man! !