Godless

[Polter]

I dunno, I've had exposure to lotf of different religions (through study) and still I believe "God" may exist on one level or another, maybe not percievable on this puny physical plane but $*&#; we can't even figure out things like the halting problem, and you're going to tell me that we can definitely tell whether or not there's a god? Meh.

God does exist, on the religious side.

I'm not anti to my religion but to say so, heaven and hell(IS SORT OF) a state of mind....

Heaven is where you fell your life complete and calm, just like living without worries or problems.... Whereas hell, is the opposite....

You lose nothing if you belive... But say, If i don't believe in God and after i die, he DID really exist, so, that'll be my loss... If I believed in him and if he did not really exist, I lose nothing....

[na_th_an]

Nobody will be able to disprove God's existence ever.
Nor to prove it.

[SJ Zero]

That's true, but it doesn't speak to the facts. Whenever we learn a little more about our world, the nature of God shifts to explain things we don't quite understand yet.

At one time, religious people would've called you a heretic if you said that weather is caused by the water cycle and winds caused by thermal imbalances in the atmosphere.

At one time, religious people would've called you a heretic if you said that the way things fall towards the earth is anything but the divine will of God, pulling us towards the earth.

At one time, religious people would've called you a heretic if you said that beer brewing took place because tiny organisms called yeast alter the sugars of the mash into carbon dioxide and alcohol (Rather than a special form of divine intervention they called 'god is good').

And today? Nobody believes God has a direct hand in any of the above. But religious people will call you a heretic if you say that the universe was created by a big bang(Actually, the big bang theory originated with religious scholars who wanted to show that the universe had a beginning, thus proving that God could have created it), and they'll call you a heretic if you say that animals were created by less advanced species changing to become better at what they do and breeding out the less advanced species.

As long as God keeps getting metaphysically laid off from various jobs by His followers, it will be impossible to prove either his existance or non-existance. After all, you can't prove something doesn't exist when that thing keeps changing to no longer cover the things that help prove its non-existance by demonstrating the predictability and amorality of the physical world.

[Dio]

and not to say that a god doesn’t exist. i mean, it is possible. but if i told you that i had purple demons flying around my living room that made my dog talk when only i was around, then technically you couldn't disprove me. but at some point you just got to draw the line.

[na_th_an]

It's basicly the dim difference between hoogadooga myths and deep beliefs. Dim, dim, really dim.

To me God is just something you feel in the inside. Some are gifted with that feeling. Some others, like me, aren't. Everything else is, in my humble opinion, senseless and useless dogma and mind control methods. Masses are so easy to drive.

[Polter]

To me God is just something you feel in the inside... ...Everything else is, in my humble opinion, senseless and useless dogma and mind control methods. Masses are so easy to drive.

Although being a religious person, i agree to some of your points, Masses are really easy to drive, but the dogma is not really useless, it helps other people in finding their way...

Yeah, I say, other sects use mind contol methods, it is because, they lose supporters, and they do lose them because they are not focusing on their goal, to live the faith that their religion implies, and thats the time you can say that their dogma is useless.

[Dr_Davenstein]

hoogadooga

Now you be speaka my language!

OOGA BOOGA!

:lol:

[Zack]

It's basicly the dim difference between hoogadooga myths and deep beliefs. Dim, dim, really dim.

D...Dim?

Code:

DIM DIM, really DIM
Expected identifier, found: 'dim'

[na_th_an]

dim P Pronunciation Key (dm)
adj. dim·mer, dim·mest
1. a. Lacking in brightness: a dim room.
b. Emitting only a small amount of light; faint: a dim lightbulb.
2. Lacking luster; dull and subdued.
3. a. Faintly outlined; indistinct: a dim figure in the distance.
b. Obscure to the mind or the senses: a dim recollection of the accident.
4. Lacking sharpness or clarity of understanding or perception. See Synonyms at dark.
5. Lacking keenness or vigor.
6. Negative, unfavorable, or disapproving: took a dim view of their prospects.
7. Slang. Dull; dimwitted.

but the dogma is not really useless, it helps other people in finding their way...

Of course, if you believe in whatever you do, you think dogma is useful. That's why I left the religious association I was in when I was a teenager. They believed that praying would save people from starving. I thought that it would be way more useful to actually work on it. Praying won't feed the hungry.

[Polter]

I agree to waht you say but...

They believed that praying would save people from starving. I thought that it would be way more useful to actually work on it. Praying won't feed the hungry.

May be your religious organization(no offense) is quite blinded in the real essence of the object of their faith... They dont see that the prayer is just a form of refuge, of somewhat "inner" strength they just see it as a commodity...

Just as what is in my signature,

Faith without action is dead.

Faith sould be accompanied with hard work, not just faith alone...