funny how Iraq became a "threat" when Bush came into power. The 8 years that Clinton was in power, nothing was said about Iraq.
that's the adminstration, different goals, ideal and beliefs.
hey Jocke, i agree with you. what politcal party do you affiliate.
Yes, Republicans love taking America to war, while in the meantime they take money away from education, SSA and health funds to pump up the military. Plus the fact that every Bush that has gone into a public office does the voucher BS which enfuriates me to no end.
Quote:- I thought/still think it was right to attack Iraq and install democracy.
I always was against this. The excuse were mass destruction arms... Well, after one year... Where are they? They just don't exist. And about installing democracy, well, that's fine. But what would you think if americans would have take over your country to install whatever?
The very answer is simple: Petrol, petrol, petrol and more petrol.
Quote:- I don't belive that Israel can be place on level with the palestinian terrorists
You forget the Israeli assasinations. They also kill.
Quote:- I belive that violence sometimes is a necessary in order to retain democracy or to defeat terrorists that attack innocent people
Yeah, sure. But watch out what kind of violence. To me, those "collateral effects" are rubbish. Just an excuse.
Quote:- I can't understand how one can compare the actions that the Israel army has done with the hamas-actions. Israel army attacks terrorists and the hamas attacks civilians...
Not true. If you follow the links I provided you'll notice. In Spain, there are two TV channels that don't offer mangled info, so we can see the conflict from the two parties' point of view. Israel kills civilians. That's a fact that can't be refuted. And if not rewind to the 70's where concentration camps with thousands of palestinians were held. Sharon acted just like Hitler. Refer to the archives, that's the crude and objective truth. To me, that's *exactly* the same thing as the nazis did to the jews during the Third Reich. And then in the 80's conflicts at Lebanon. Those are facts, not interpretations. Read our recent history and you'll find out.
Quote:- I belive that Iraq was a threat to the "free world" and it's own inhabitants. That threat is now more or less gone...
Not iraq, but Sadam's government was a threat to the "free Iraq". Nothing to do with the rest of the world. Where are those pretended mass destruction arms? As I said many months ago: they just don't exist. They are just the biggest excuse in recent history.
Quote:- I belive in democracy and I think that it's every humans right to have it no matter where they live.
Completely agreed. But that doesn't imply America taking over a country.
you make very good points nathan. If the UN couldnt find these WMD, then how will the US do it?
Quote:The real problem is not in the religions themselves, [...]
Great truth. What I think is that religion has been just an excuse during the last 2 thousand years. The really matter was money. Economic interests and nothing more. Religion? Just a way to brainwash people. The big guys behind the whole movement just want money.
well in the US the tax deduction is really nice. And dont think for a second that just becuz the church is a "charity" that they arent making a profit.
Quote:There are a lot of people in the world who find guidence in the Quran, or the Bible. If it helps them to become better people, so be it, dont knock them for it. Fundamentalists would be screwed up religion or not.
That was exactly what I was trying to express, but well worded
It's a great shame that most people think that the Quran tells people to become that cheap imitation of kamikazes.
Quote:It's a great shame that most people think that the Quran tells people to become that cheap imitation of kamikazes.
the most misunderstood concept of the Islam religion is the
jihad, which everyone thinks is "holy war" just cuz the media said so. :roll:
:lol: We had a NZ band called "shihad" who had to change there name after sept 11...