And I"m backing it up
[edit] I mean, nek's post above the one above mine
Oh, and by "people traffiking", this means "slaves", not "illegal imigrants", "terrorists" or anything else like that. In the US for example, there are hundreds, maybe thousands of slaves working picking fruit in orchards (specifically oranges for orange juice and tomatoes for Taco Bell).
Quote:And I"m backing it up
*puts a "wide load" sticker on your rear*
beep when you back that thing up man
and yes, slavery still exists, even in this modern age, and whoever says it doesnt exist really needs to start reading and stop watching TV. TV rots your brain.
:lol: Yep, national geographic does publish some gems sometimes...
reading rots your brain.
so does believing that illegal immigrants working for Taco Bell are slaves.
Why not just say that all workers are slaves?
You are clearly losing, Agamemnus...so now you're going to invent new points to try to get an upper hand? Wow. I thought I had seen it all before, but I was wrong...NOW I've seen it all.
No, what actually happens is that Taco Bell buys tomatoes from fruit pickers to make into tacos. Since the prices are so low, the fruit pickers feel compelled to recruit slaves from "coyotes", people who live in border towns to mexico and dupe illegal aliens from mexico into servitude.
If you want, search "CIW slavery", and you'll get the story. Or how about "Ramiro and Juan Ramos", two brothers going to jail for slavery for a total of 34 years 9 months.
I'd just finished writing a long post about different religions, about the things Aga's said about Muslims, or what Nate said about Catholics, and some of it was angry, and most of it was to correct what I took as misconceptions. But I took it to better judgement to delete that post. What you believe, is what you believe. If you believe Jesus didnt exist, believe that, and if you believe Jesus is the son of God, believe that. If you believe Muhammed was the last great prophet, whatever.
But that's all religion is, is beliefs. Please understand that there are over a billion Muslims in the world. Nearly a fifth of it. Now I look and there's a lot of beautiful people there, in fact, most of the Islamic peoples of the world are good people, who do good things. So what if Muhammed fought a war? I'd argue it was a war for Jewish independence in Persia much like Maccabees, but really, who gives a damn? It happened years and years ago, everyone involved is now a corpse. There are a lot of people in the world who find guidence in the Quran, or the Bible. If it helps them to become better people, so be it, dont knock them for it. Fundamentalists would be screwed up religion or not.
So please, be tolerant, on here and in life. Islam, Judaism or Christianity are not the cause of what's wrong in the world.
EDIT: In the past half hour I've been writing on and off, the topic's switched to slavery. Go me, I've done it again
Quote:Islam, Judaism or Christianity are not the cause of what's wrong in the world.
Very true.
The real problem is not in the religions themselves, but in how people have intolerance for the religions of others. Religions by themselves can be very enlightening and life-enriching...or if used improperly, can be painfully destructive.
And yeah, fundies would be the same with or without their religions. However...their religions give them a cause that they would not have without it. In essence...a religious shield. It is far more difficult to fight a religion than it is to fight an individual.
I can name someone locally who fits into this category but I will not.
Quote:I can't understand the claim to lock this topic... We are just talking, arguing and expressing our opinions.
Agreed. We are some people here who has been talking about similar issues before
*points at nathan, jofers..* and I've always enjoed a good "argument".
Back to topic (or as close to topic as I can get) :wink:
- I thought/still think it was right to attack Iraq and install democracy.
- I don't belive that Israel can be place on level with the palestinian terrorists
- I belive that violence sometimes is a necessary in order to retain democracy or to defeat terrorists that attack innocent people
- I can't understand how one can compare the actions that the Israel army has done with the hamas-actions. Israel army attacks terrorists and the hamas attacks civilians...
- I belive that Iraq was a threat to the "free world" and it's own inhabitants. That threat is now more or less gone...
- I belive in democracy and I think that it's every humans right to have it no matter where they live.