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Not necessarily, because Allah, Krishna, Shiva and Zeus might take exception to the fact you didn't recognise theirs as the one true religion, so you might end up spending a stint burning in all their respective hells. They could work out some kind of rota for ya.. 
Anyway, I suspect this is one of those threads that's gonna go round-and-round in circles.. *sigh*
Hey, QB anyone? 
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Quote:Ok, how about rather than having me try to convince you we switch it around. Personally, I know throught the change in not only my life, but also that of my friends that God exists. You can tell me all the reasons of why he doesn't but then we come back to the fact that I have an answer to life and you don't. Picture it like this; say I am right, after I die I am going to heaven and live a fantasy. Your going to we all know where (all this according to my beliefs). Now, according to you, if I were to die there would be nothing to look forward to, its the end, I exist no more, and I never had purpose, but all I ever had was a life of joy. Either way I win according to a comparrison of our standards, but if I am right then your in big trouble.
So basically you believe because you're afraid of death? Jeez, I thought people over 10 would understand that a magical place where you get everything you want (only if you're a "good little boy") DOES NOT EXIST.
You're not rewarded for anything you do or don't do in this life. There isn't a heavenly stenographer in the sky writing down how many times you say "God damn it!". There isn't a little elf writing down if you've stolen 50 cents from an ashtray.
Get over it. You just believe it because you're afraid of the "consequences" the faith gives you. "BELIEVE IN OUR RELIGION OR SUFFER PAIN FOR ALL TIME!" How about.... you're a douche, shut up right now.
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Look, frankly, Azuvalan the Winter demon demands that 3 goats be slaughtered on the Alter of Bajeerza to bring about the unholy testament of Christmas, therefore bringing upon us the 4th apocalypse. But for the love of Jamtaba, no one will give me three goats so I prove to y'all I'm right. I know Piptol said he'd be glad to, but he's a Noctula Priest, and therefore cannot touch a Holy Goat without spilling it's blood upon the tombstone of a virgin, so I still need three goats! (One male, one female and one hermaphrodite, which is a little hard to find I guess).
i]"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum ... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"[/i] - Dirty Harry
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Quote:oracle Wrote:Again, less than 7000 years ago? Haven't you heard of carbon dating?
Carbon dating works by measuring the amount of carbon-14 in a sample that hasn't decayed yet. But there wouldn't be enough left to measure after more than 65 million years.
Quote:The maximum range of radiocarbon dating appears to be about 50,000 years, after which the amount of 14C is too low to be distiguished from background radiation. The K-Ar and Uranium decay series are used in dating older objects (see Radiometric dating).
(from Wikipedia - http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating)
I only used carbon-14 dating to show that the world can't be 7000 years old.
Quote:That's something I've wondered about, Ninkazu.
1. They measure the concentration of isotopes
2. They then pull out of a magic hat (or maybe a time machine) a measurement of isotope concentration when the Earth was new
3. They calculate how long it would take to decay from the magical measurement to current concentration
The Earth's age could vary widely depending on estimates of it's original isotopic concentration.
Incorrect. There is much study into "geochronology", using dating methods like K-Ar dating, that place the oldest rocks found at around 3.7 billion years old. I'd show you a website by a respected geochronologist, but it's unfair for me to show websites when I'm not allowing anyone else to use them as evidence
to toonski: 1) That's correct, the bible makes vague predictions too, just like those fake fortune tellers, that say a bit of everything so when something happens everyone says "wow, it was in the bible, and did happen, so everything in the bible must be true".
2) Point taken. I think it's a case of a scottish "not proven" verdict.
3) No body in this thread is denying that.
4) Sorry
Quote:...but then we come back to the fact that I have an answer to life and you don't.
I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. I have an "answer" to life, it still counts even if it's not the answer that you have. That's exactly the reason that I don't like religious people as advertisers (mormons knocking on the door etc), they have a "join us or die" attitude.
Quote:say I am right, after I die I am going to heaven and live a fantasy. Your going to we all know where (all this according to my beliefs). Now, according to you, if I were to die there would be nothing to look forward to, its the end, I exist no more, and I never had purpose, but all I ever had was a life of joy. Either way I win according to a comparrison of our standards, but if I am right then your in big trouble.
My belief on life and death goes like this: can you remember 1945? No, because you didn't exist. You had no consience, no spirit then, right? Well, you were born, and given a consience. So after you die, what's to say you don't just go back to the way you were before you were born?
You say that you'd win, because you had a life of joy. What's to say I'm not having one too? I enjoy what I do in life, once again you show your religious salesmanship by telling me that if it's not "your way" of feeling good then there is "no way".
Quote:Hey, QB anyone?
Anyone made a religiously orientated QB game recently?
I'm going to stand by what I think, because I'm a realist, and deal in evidence and fact. That doesn't mean that god doesn't exist, or that I hate religious people, because at some point in the future maybe I'll recieve proof that there is a god. But right now, right in this forum, I haven't seen anything to prove conclusively either way. So I suggest we just stop talking about this now. I am not going to reply to any more posts in this thread based on religious arguement, so any arguement to that effect will seem to be a good boint, but will also be seen by others as flogging a dead horse. So drop it.
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I'm reminded of this saying, "Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics; you've won, but you're still retarded."
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That saying reminds me of the picture Plasma357 posted just before you, nin
i]"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum ... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"[/i] - Dirty Harry
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Quote:That saying reminds me of the picture Plasma357 posted just before you, nin
Ah so.... I guess my subconscious wanted to embarrass me.
Meh, you all know that I'm incapable of being embarrassed and shamed EVEN MORE, so I'll not dwell on it ;P
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